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  1. #16
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    I think you SHOULD police.
    And start with shaolin do.
    And start with the school in san antonio on perrin beitel.
    Do that.
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    bahahaha.
    WD comes down this summer. He will be able to attest to the ability of SD.
    maybe not the school... but I promise you I will whoop some azz.
    speaking of which.....
    WD should be heading down here in like...
    2 weeks.

    but my arm wont be better for 3 1/2

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    wtf?

    why did it post it before 2 times?
    hmmm.........................
    very strange.

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    Edit: DK's idea has merit, but will never happen. Getting CMA teachers to go the same way is like "herding cats".
    Exactly. MArtial Arts have been running wild for too long.

    The next problem is there are hundreds of organizations running around that sell rank. Now you can claim to be a 7th degree and buy 20 certificates to back it up. Now you can say 20 different organizations recognize me as a...

    Shaolin Do puts out something else to think about. What if you challenge someone who may not be legitamate in a style, but can kick everyones butt. I met a kickboxer who had 6 months training and was beating fighters left and right in the ring.

    So now you show up at a school, challenge the guy and he breaks a couple of your bones, you look up with one eye shut, bleeding from the nose, mouth and ears and say"Yea,....but your not teaching real KF.."

    (That is not a comment on wether or not SD is legitamate)

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    I know people with no ma training at all who would beat the sh!t out of a lot of people with ma training I know....
    hehe

    I was a little inebriated this weekend and threatened to beat up 2 dudes with my 1 good arm... lofl....
    they still backed down....
    bahahahahahaha
    (they rolled my friend a couple weeks ago, so I planned on takin care of business)


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    But if we did that there would in the end only be 1 school!!

    Would it be a TCMA school?...I think not.
    LOL.. really, what else did you hear?.. did you hear that he was voted Man of the Year by Kung-Fu Magizine?

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    I doubt that associations and legislation are the answer. And I know that school challenges aren't. Educate the populace so they know what they're looking at. Too many legitimate martial artists go along with the 'don't talk about what we do' approach. So the only sources of information end up being the charlatans.


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    First of all, who here is qualified to police anything about the martial arts?

    some are for fighting, some are ritualistic and some are hybridized of these.

    some are style specific and not for the streets, IE:closed school contests and merely keeping alive a tradition.

    There are too many p.o.v's on how to punch right for pete's sake!

    some schools say do this, some say do that, both ways are effective.

    point is, anyone of us has limited scope in regards to the whole body of martial teachings available.

    just because anyone of us has trained for 10 years, or five, or twenty or what have you, our only point of true reference is that which we have tasted directly. The rest is speculation and conjecture and the only way to tell someone in the martial arts that what they are doing is wrong is to prove it through crossing hands and demonstrating whyit's wrong.

    If you are not prepared to do that, then why wax on about how this or that should be policed!??

    What's in a name anyway? It's all about perspective.
    Keep practicing in your own small corner and be happy in it. That's all there really is in the end. Go out and test yourself, because you certainly can't test your whole style with any consistency outside of your own personal experience and those who would cross hands with you.

    cheers
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    Thumbs up

    Nicely said, Kung Lek.

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    ditto what AP said...

    Hard to do... telling people they suck and all, and to some you'd be taking their lively hood... good or bad.
    practice wu de


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    Go to the school and demand traidional gong sau wherein you fight the school's senior students. If you defeat them, you then fight the school's teacher. If you defeat him then the school has to close down.

    What do you think? Surely it's up to us to protect the integrity of our arts?
    I think the school's would still stay open, and the challengers would all end up in prison

    As for the morality of these challenges, I guess it depends on what the school is claiming. If they're coming out and saying they can kick anyone's @ss and so on, then they're asking for it. That's pretty much a chalenge to anyone not in their organization.

    But, then again, what's really gained from these fights on a large scale? Like the TWS vs. Remuul fight... all that happened is TWS decided he was training realistically enough. SD is still the same as it's allways been.

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    There's a TKD school in Knoxville that claims that one of their uber-black belts can beat any other local black-belt and they are claiming $100k if anyone prooves them wrong. I inquired because I was sceptical and because I was curious. They never returned my calls or sent me any information.

    Later I found a former student of this school who told me that it was all a sham. The "master" of the school was the sole judge of the competition. If you won the round, he called it a tie. If you knocked the guy out, he "disqualified" you. If you were losing, he wouldn't stop the fight until you quit or got the bewezus beat out of you. I think a school like this is asking to be taken down a notch, but they apparently refuse to submit to an objective format. They also refuse to attend open tournaments and keep everything closed off.

    The point is its difficult to impossible to self-police schools like this. Every art imposes their own standards and if they refuse to cooperate, then what do you do?
    Quote Originally Posted by Oso View Post
    AND, yea, a good bit of it is about whether you can fight with what you know...kinda all of it is about that.

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    they apparently refuse to submit to an objective format.
    For some reason I just go the image of two guys in gis playing knuckles.....


    Places like that are unfortunate, if people are ignorant enough to not see the hype, or simply don't care, then so be it.
    practice wu de


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    Every art imposes their own standards and if they refuse to cooperate, then what do you do?
    Beat them silly.
    I will crush my enemies, see them driven before me, then hit their wimminz with a Tony Danza. - Vash

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    the thing about "shams" or "McDojo" is that they would not exist if nobody enrolled in them. perhaps educating the public about legitimate martial arts would be a better idea. people need to understand that just because someone is a martial arts teacher that you can't trust them 100%. when i went for an interview at "temple kung-fu" i knew they were bogus not because of my previous knowledge of martial arts but the way they treated me. the fact that they acted like used car salesmen i knew something was up.

    also, it is important to note that those who need "policing" are not necessarily unskilled. it is that they pretend to be something they are not. my instructor trained with "O.E.Simon" for several months many years ago. he said that although he left because simon was a complete fake, simon himself was a pretty skilled fighter. unfortunatly lying is not a very punishable crime.
    Last edited by neit; 05-22-2003 at 03:42 PM.

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    You all realise this was a joke thread, right?

    Look at joedoe's "Could Someone please..." thread.

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