Ufc

[Void Boxing]

Does this really work? Ive been to forums and they brag that it doesnt work, that it is only for the ring, that it is limited and that people cannot use all their skills. That kung fu would kick the ass of so many people in there if they didnt have rules. The funny thing is, these people dont listen to you at all, so im here to get some posts about what you guys think about the UFC. Personally, the **** works as far as im concerned. What do you think?.....

[Samurai Jack]

I don't much care for the UFC anymore. As far as entertainment value is concerned, now that everyone's cross training preparing themselves as athletes rather than martial artists, it ain't no fun no more. I understand that this was an inevitable and necassary evolution for UFC to survive as a sport, but let's face it, I'd rather watch a 600 lbs. Sumotori get pummeled by a Kempo guy, or a ninja in full garb fight a Savate player, then watch a couple of guys in speedoes dry hump eachother for three rounds. It's boring and embarrassing...

[Void Boxing]

Some of the UFC is very lame indeed. It is like watching a b grade porn movie at times with all that climbing on top of each other and wrestling for that submission. But some of that stuff works really well. Being a martial artist is to be an athelete though isnt it? We train for health and fitness and the stronger our fitness is the stronger our skill is going to be. You cannot just go for pure skill because then you would be an unrounded fighter. You need to train for fitness and for skill to give yourself the fighting edge. Wouldnt you agree?

Another thing too is k-1, pride, some of these are really interesting too - Muay Thai tournaments, even boxing between 2 good fighters can be of real interest. You can learn so much from watching a good fight and i guess that is my point. Not to be so narrow and thinking that it has nothing to offer, when it does, perhaps this is a point i could stress to the other guy if he wasnt so narrow minded to see that. All well, cant win em all can you

Another thing also is that we all have different tastes and different perceptions, perhaps i shouldnt be so narrow as to not accept the fact that someone else doesnt see the value in it.

[yenhoi]

UFC should allow weapons and friends.

Thats real entertainment.

[Ultimatewingchun]

IMO there are four factors that UFC type fighting outlaw which results in a distorted picture being painted of how effective some of the strategies and techniques employed in the UFC would work in the streets:

1) Kicking legs (ie.- knees and shins) WHILE WEARING SHOES

2) Attacks to the eyes

3) Biting

4) Attacks to the groin

I believe that the last three must always be outlawed in a "sport" or "tournament-like" competition setting -

but IMO the banning of the first one listed was clearly intended to give grapplers the advantage in the UFC (Please don't forget that the UFC was the brainchild of Rorion Gracie; and in fact in the early UFC events it was he who had the final say as to what fighters would be allowed to participate)...

Lightweight shoes coupled with the wearing of sufficient padding on the knees would prevent injuries but at the same time allow low kicks to have a significant influence on the outcome of such "fights"...

All this said I am still a big fan of the UFC and PRIDE events because they DO come pretty close to reality fighting - in terms of a "tournament-like" event....

and I am a very big believer in the importance of being able to grapple...(I personally supplement my Traditional Wing Chun with Catch Wrestling)....

but the truth still remains that as good as some grappling arts are - quite often some of the moves seen being used could easily be countered in a streetfight with biting, eye gouging, and attacks to the groin....

[Samurai Jack]

Athlete = sport competitor

Fighter = well, fighter

A long distance runner dosen't kick ass in a street fight just cause he's got stamina. Yeah, UFC style fighting will really work in a fight. I'm just not interested in watching it on T.V.

[jun_erh]

What's weird to me is how the venue seems to affesct the quality of the fight. maybe it's me, but if you take the same two guys and put them at pride chances are you'll get a better match than at Kings of the cage. The latest Pride DVD's I've seen were great. Some great fights.

[jun_erh]

Also, I thought the early UFC blew. People tried to ban it and they were right for doing so.

[Dark Knight]

How much of a difference would biting make? So what you are saying is in the microsecond that you feel he is about to break your arm, you will bite on his leg. He will fell the pain of your bite and complete the break to your arm, a movement of a few inches.

What if he has an ankle lock on? You cannot bite, or poke him, he is too far away, seconds later your ankle is broken, a movement anyone with a few months of practice can accomplish.

UFC has changed the rules as time goes by, but they did allow groin strikes at one time and it didn’t change anything, other NHB events still allow it and bare knuckle fighting.

What do you do if the eye strike does not connect, these same people are training to avoid jabs that are powerful enough to stop people, an eye jab is very close to the same motion. So now you throw an eye attack out, he takes you down and breaks something.

Also remember that they all train in Boxing and kicking skills to KO people. Mo Smith kicks move at 80mph. So when you face one he has the stand up skills to drop you from a shin kick to the thighs (A common item, Tank Abbot quit from it) and punching skills to drop you with a good hook. KO’s in NHB have happened from Kicks, punches, knees…

So many people want to say “To stop a grappler all you have to do is….” Theory is great, but you neeed to try it.

The reason NHB fighters are successful is because they train like they fight. If you want to be an effective fighter you need to put on gloves and fight with people. If you want to beat a NHB fighter train to beat a NHB fighter, you want to beat a TKD fighter, train for a TKD fighter. If you want to be effective in the street, put some realism in your training, put on the gloves, give your friend a stick, or rubber knife, or two friends and go heavy contact. (At the Straight Blast Gym they fight a stick fighter against an unarmed fighter, full contact with pads and headgear on)

Theory ends when the rubber meets the road.

[Ultimatewingchun]

Dar Knight:

If you read my post carefully it wasn't a "all you have to do is this" to beat a grappler point of view...

I train myself and my students very seriously in Catch wrestling because I know from first hand experience very early in life - as well as from my adult experiences (on the streets of Brooklyn, NY where I still live) that YOU BETTER KNOW SOME GRAPPLING if you get involved in a real fight - because it could easily come to that...

Let me give an example of what I mean about biting - I do the sitting arm-bar by placing my foot on the side of his head/face area - actually pushing and/or kicking his head/face area as I apply the arm bar...NOT OVER HIS HEAD/FACE AREA...as this could easily result in getting bitten BEFORE any serious pressure is exerted on his elbow...

The same potential problem exists with "pulling someone into guard" - which is a move I would almost NEVER use in a streetfight - as it invites a bite as well as many other potential problems (ie. - the ground and pound)...

[LEGEND]

WOW...I'm happy to hear that some of WILLIAM CHEUNG students are open minded about other arts...did u have any problems with your peers when informing them that u plan to train catch wrestling and watch the UFC and Pride events Victor?

[Mr Punch]

Originally posted by Dark Knight
What if he has an ankle lock on? You cannot bite, or poke him, he is too far away, seconds later your ankle is broken, a movement anyone with a few months of practice can accomplish.

Gwailo talk nonsense. You have no idea how big my teeth are! And I have jaws of steel!

UFC has changed the rules as time goes by, but they did allow groin strikes at one time and it didn’t change anything, other NHB events still allow it and bare knuckle fighting.

Bwuhahahaaaa! I have groin of steel too! I strike you with my groin and you feel it!

[Ultimatewingchun]

LEGEND:

You really have CATCH up on a few things about the WWCKFA - way back in the early 90's Sifu Anthony Arnett down in Jacksonville, Florida tried to get in as a participant in the UFC when Royce was just starting to make a lot of noise....

brother Rorion only "offered" Anthony a role as a "possible" ALTERNATE...which would have required Anthony to put up $1,500. (I believe it was) - with no guarantee of participating and with no refund of the money if he didn't participate.
I was witness to the conversation between GM Cheung and Anthony when it was decided to pass on Rorion's "generous" offer.

My occasional workouts with TWC sifu Keith Mazza (from Mt. Laurel, N.J.) always include the two of us trading some grappling moves along with TWC...another TWC sifu, Johnny Clayton, along with Keith and myself also participated in another such get-together that also included some exchanges between Johnny and my top student, Michael Mundy, a terrific wrestler before joining my school some 14 years ago...

(I have been including grappling elements into my classes for almost 10 years now)....

[fa_jing]

What about neck chops? They aren't allowed in the UFC, are they? I think that's a significant difference.

[Void Boxing]

So the UFC is limited then. Like everything.