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[Judge Pen]

Wow, MK. I'm in awe of your geekdome knowledge. No joke. Impressive.

Have you read the fan script posted on theforce.net? Pretty good stuff. I hope Lucas takes some cues from this script in EpIII.

As for the lightsaber battles my favorite is still ESB. Brutal and ferocious with DV playing with Luke at first and then demolishing him at the end. Nice.

TPM's scene is cool too. The more I watch ATC's the more disappointed I am. Yoda was cool at first because of its novelty, but too short and it felt way too choreographed.

[MasterKiller]

I thought the TFN script was kinda hokey, personally. Especially Padme's dialogue.

The fight scene with Yoda was orginally twice as long, and Dooku had to resort to using 2 lightsabers to counter Yoda's skill. They cut it down for reasons I'll never understand.

I was also disappointed that in EP II they cut out the Droid Control Ship battle, which happened concurrently with the Arena Conflict. Aayla Secura, Plo Kloon, and Ki-Adi Mundi led an attack on the driod control ship, which is why the driods stopped attacking briefly in the Arena. They battle was shot, but the effects were never finished. If you watch closley, you will see them escorted in the Jedi circle during Dooku's speach, right before the Clones come in to save the day.

Vader has always been my favorite, since I saw Star Wars when I was 5. His one-handed lightsaber stance is the coolest.

[Judge Pen]

Dialogue is a major problem with Lucas recently. They could have implied so much more between Anakin and Padme without us suffering through that horrendous dialogue. This would have left more time for the scenes we talked about. I hope EPIII is as dark as Lucas says it will be.

[MasterKiller]

true that. But at least in the DVD, he cut their scenes down a little. I especially appreciate the fact that he cut down the whole "Sound of Music" fiasco, and removed the last few moments of that scene where Padme pulls away for the ump-teenth time.

He also added some blast effects to Jango's rocketpack right before Mace lops his head off, which makes more sense. I always wondered why Jango didn't just fly off, but the new effects ,ake it clear that Jango's jetpack is busted from getting head-butted by the Rhino thing.

Another litttle tid-bit to watch out for on the DVD is that Padme grabs Anakin's robot hand during the wedding. In the theatrical version, she didn't touch him, which always seemed awkard.

ESB and ROTJ had different writers, directors, and editors. Lucas should have stuck to just dreaming up the concepts and letting other people perform these tasks again.

[Judge Pen]

Originally posted by MasterKiller


ESB and ROTJ had different writers, directors, and editors. Lucas should have stuck to just dreaming up the concepts and letting other people perform these tasks again.

absolutely. I've always wanted to see guest directors for the new trilogy. I could imagine Speilberg directing EP1 since he's good with the kid stuff. I though about Ang Lee with EPII since he mixed the action and romance beautifully in CTHD (but after Hulk I'm not as sold) and someone like David Fincher or Darren Aronskovski (sp) for EPIII b/c it needs to be dark and gritty. Who would you have chosen?

[MasterKiller]

I say give the reigns back to Lawrence Kasdan. He wrote ESB, and has proven himself as a decent director.

[Judge Pen]

Originally posted by MasterKiller
I say give the reigns back to Lawrence Kasdan. He wrote ESB, and has proven himself as a decent director.

LK should write the screenplay but I'd like to see some different directors take a crack at SW. Kevin Smith would love to do that, but I don't know how I feel and phallic lightsaber jokes.

[MasterKiller]

Kevin Smith would love to do that, but I don't know how I feel and phallic lightsaber jokes.

Kevin Smith doesn't have the experience to handle something like a Star Wars film. His direction is heavy-handed, just like his writing. I like some of his stuff, but he's still got a lot to learn about the basics of making movies.

[Judge Pen]

Originally posted by MasterKiller

Kevin Smith doesn't have the experience to handle something like a Star Wars film. His direction is heavy-handed, just like his writing. I like some of his stuff, but he's still got a lot to learn about the basics of making movies.

You're right. I'm just saying that someone should direct these films that either loves the material or has the style to really bring it to life. Lucas has neither. He has lost the love. Don't you feel like these films are almost obligatory. He feels obligated to finish these films. It seems they are more about his new digital cameras and false environments then about dialogue, action, emotion or story telling. For Lucas, it seems, the effects have become an end to themselves and not a means to an end. All technical mumbo jumbo and no heart makes movies with great potential a little dull.

[MasterKiller]

For Lucas, it seems, the effects have become an end to themselves and not a means to an end. All technical mumbo jumbo and no heart makes movies with great potential a little dull.

I would argue this has always been the case, he just had people around him that would question his bad decisions. When he started filming TPM, everyone forgot about how other people had written and directed ESB and ROTJ, and Lucas had reached God-like status amongst the uber-Geeks. I think he started to believe the hype, and no one would question him because he's Geroge Lucas, afterall.

He had intense fights with Kershner on the set of ESB, and even told him once, "It doesn't have to be as good as you want to make it."

Anyone remember Howard the Duck? That was Lucas' first movie after ROTJ.....

[Shaolin-Do]

You guys used sooo many abbreviations on this thread... Im so very confused now....

"Chewie is in EP III. Nuff said"

True dat.

[MasterKiller]

TPM--The Phantom Menace
AOTC--Attack of the Clones
ANH--A New Hope (The first Star Wars)
ESB--Empire Strikes Back
ROTJ--Return of the Jedi.
SW--Star Wars
LK--Lawrence Kasdan
GL--George Lucas
DV--Darth Vader
DM--Darth Maul
CTHD--Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon

[joedoe]

Originally posted by MasterKiller
As the head Star Wars afficionado (read geek) on this forum, I'll give you fellas some things to watch out for.

1) The Great Plaid One (Lucas) has always said EPIII would be the darkest of the series, as many, many, many people have to die. That means, there should be as little of Jar-Jar as possible, or at least, he may die on screen.

2) Chewie is in EP III. Nuff said.

3)EPIII will tie the original trilogy with the new one. All the talk about Midi-Chlorians is bunk, as Yoda began to discover in EP II when Anakin's rage popped Qui-Gon's spirit out of the Force. Up until this time, Jedi believe all people are dead when they die, and that the Force is a living thing (ala Midchlorians). When he hears Qui-Gon's ghost in EPII, Yoda begins to think otherwise.

4) The arrogance of the Jedi is their downfall. They have lost their connection to the Force because they have become too dependent on Science and machines. Yoda warned Obi-Wan about this in EP II when they were discussing Anakin's arrogance.

5) The death of Jango Fett means the CLoners no longer have the source material to work with. That means Stormtroopers will be cloned, and re-cloned, which is why they can't hit the side of a barn with a laser blast in the later movies. Their DNA is all messy.

6) Starting in November, The Cartoon Network will start airing short CLONE WARS cartoons that will tie EP II to EP III, and will introduce a new Bounty Hunter named DURGE. DURGE hates Manalorians, of which Jango and Boba Fett are related (and therefore the clones), so his goal in life is to kill as many Mandalorians as possible. Boba Fett will eventually kill DURGE, and wear his logo on his armor (the cow skull on Boba's left shoulder).

Wow. I am going to have to go and watch the DVD again to pick up all those things.