Religious discussion thread

[Chang Style Novice]

Hey, everybody! It's WIM DELVOYE!

[Chang Style Novice]

And nobody is belittling themeecer's religious beliefs. We are belittling his scientific beliefs.

[Surferdude]

So how bout them crusades??
They still goin on??

[red5angel]

because only christians ever did that....I sense another idiotic religious discussion coming on.

[Surferdude]

Isn;t there a religon where you have to chop your testicles off and put um in a jar??? Serious. I saw somthin on it. on the internet

[quiet man]

Originally posted by Surferdude
Isn;t there a religon where you have to chop your testicles off and put um in a jar??? Serious. I saw somthin on it. on the internet

Is it some kind of militant lesbian religion?

[Judge Pen]

All right. I was trying not to get sucked in to this, but anyway. . .

I'm not going to weigh in on the whole evolution vs. creationism argument because it's ultimately meaningless. Both sides, however, rely upon faith to support their beliefs. Faith in the Bible of faith in scientific methods to explain something that can't be proven. No one really knows what happened when the world was created. We can only provide our best "educated" guesses.

[MasterKiller]

No one really knows what happened when the world was created

You betray yourself their, JP. Created implies a creator.

[Surferdude]

Originally posted by quiet man


Is it some kind of militant lesbian religion?

I think it might be... Somewhere in Indonesia or latvia or somethin like that

[Former castleva]

"I'm not going to weigh in on the whole evolution vs. creationism argument because it's ultimately meaningless. Both sides, however, rely upon faith to support their beliefs. Faith in the Bible of faith in scientific methods to explain something that can't be proven. No one really knows what happened when the world was created. We can only provide our best "educated" guesses."

I´m suspecting this thread may get big and I try to keep this as my first/last post but I´d just like to correct this one a bit.
You say both sides rely on faith,I do not know how broad a consideration this is but that´s not entirely so.
There are 500 creation stories,then there is scientific method and assuming we´re talking evolutionary biology here (not all there is to it) the theory and fact of evolution which has stood the test of time and remains dominant,there´s no controversy over that.When someone comes up with a better theory and becomes world famous (notice that "just a theory" can´t exist.Theories don´t become laws.Theories are proven beyond reasonable doubt by definition) gets a Nobel prize etc. I´ll be there to shake a hand,I doubt that will happen anytime soon at least,considering that we´ve have been building on the foundation of modern biology for so long.
Anyway,what you say about nobody being there,that´s true while it does not mean it can´t and would not have been worked on.Since biological (not cosmic that astroscientists study) evolution is the case,it has little to say about the "creation" itself,what that ever means to one.To assume it is concerned with that is a common fallacy,if you´re concerned with that,cosmology would be a better pick of interest.Many,many people are still very ignorant of basic science (not actually referring to anyone in particular)

edit:
"My point is that the appearence of life, and the evolution of different species from a single cell formed in a primordial soup is only a best educated guess "

This is a very complex subject and being worked on,there are some good books around if you´re interested.
Besides this,the theory is pretty reasonable in the light of current models and experiments.Exact mechanisms are always the hardest thing to track down and "educated guess" refers to a hypothesis to be tested,with a reason for it´s being.

[Judge Pen]

Originally posted by MasterKiller

You betray yourself their, JP. Created implies a creator.

I do believe it was created, but the manner it was created, a literal 6 days or by divine power to set certain forces in motion that ultimately ended up where we are now is, in my humble estimation, mostly irrelevant.

In the interest of my point being more "objective" let's say "no one was around when the universe came into being." How's that?

[Judge Pen]

Originally posted by Former castleva
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Anyway,what you say about nobody being there,that´s true while it does not mean it can´t and would not have been worked on.Since biological (not cosmic that astroscientists study) evolution is the case,it has little to say about the "creation" itself,what that ever means to one.To assume it is concerned with that is a common fallacy,if you´re concerned with that,cosmology would be a better pick of interest.Many,many people are still very ignorant of basic science (not actually referring to anyone in particular) [/B]

Sure evolution exists. No doubt about it. Adaptions occur in biological systems that either help or hurt the species. The ones that help advance themselves and live on. That's easy.

My point is that the appearence of life, and the evolution of different species from a single cell formed in a primordial soup is only a best educated guess (Irregardess if one believes that it was divinly inspired or a random biological occurance). All the evidence that science has to support its theories still rely, to some degree, on extrapolation. Whenever one connects two "dots" they have to assume that there is not another point between the two that won't change the plot of the line. That, in essence, is faith.

[Shaolin-Do]

Evolution of man...
Anyone kept up with National Geographic lately?
You know that we were missing 2 skulls in the evolution "series" if you will?
We are only missing one now, that when placed in order will fully show evolution from ****erectus to ****sapien. h o m o. Stupid censor.
So... I dunno. This is a thread Ill get into to much trouble in so Im leaving.

[Xebsball]

i dont believe in any religion, not a single one, none at all
years and years... and where is my prize after years of religious belief? nowhere
all i got is grief from reality

i dont want to change my view of things (wich is what religions do), i want to change my reality itself (wich is what religions dont do)

[ewallace]

Well, you'd be good at saving yourself for marraige Xebs.