Bush shoulda known!

[Merryprankster]

Chen Zhen,

The U.S. gives around 0.1% of it's GDP in aid. However, we rank first in terms of absolute amount given, and first in economic aid (absolute terms).

[Chang Style Novice]

It's a wildass guess, but I'd say that there was some belief that saying it WAS a terrorist attack would cause even gretaer panic, and since they probably didn't know squat at that point, why risk greater panic?

[chen zhen]

>Chen Zhen,

The U.S. gives around 0.1% of it's GDP in aid. However, we rank first in terms of absolute amount given, and first in economic aid (absolute terms)<

Thanks for the clarification, I wan't to rely on facts, not assumptions.

[Budokan]

"Have you seen Vietcong Guerilla in firefights with American soldiers in the middle of Atlanta?"

Thankfully, no. And we can thank Shrub for that one, too. Word must have gotten out to Ho Chi Minh that Shrub was on the job "flying" jet aircraft in the National Guard -- that was enough to scare those Commie bast*rds away from our shores, by God!

[tnwingtsun]

"If a war was fought on US soil, i don't think you could handle it."



We handled it in the 1860s to where entire towns and familys ceased to exist.

Some numbers FYI


The Price in Blood!
Casualties in the Civil War

At least 618,000 Americans died in the Civil War, and some experts say the toll reached 700,000. The number that is most often quoted is 620,000. At any rate, these casualties exceed the nation's loss in all its other wars, from the Revolution through Vietnam.
The Union armies had from 2,500,000 to 2,750,000 men. Their losses, by the best estimates:

Battle deaths: 110,070
Disease, etc.: 250,152
Total 360,222

The Confederate strength, known less accurately because of missing records, was from 750,000 to 1,250,000. Its estimated losses:

Battle deaths: 94,000
Disease, etc.: 164,000
Total 258,000


Relative to the population in the era those numbers were staggering.

This was a Civil War and both north and south invaded each other with most of the battles fought on Southern soil,so invasion in every aspect it was with the Union Army using a scorched earth policy to great effect.

The former Soviet Union did a study on an invasion and occupation of the United States should war ever break out between the two countries and came to the conclusion that the losses would just be to much for them to handle,armed citizens
everywhere would be too much of a drain on their manpower and resources.
Sweden was another country the Soviets had plans to by-pass
because of their cold war home guard force structure.


Plus we could handle it because we have more rappers here than any other country

[chen zhen]

We handled it in the 1860s to where entire towns and familys ceased to exist.

Yes. Still a civil war, as I said,not an invasion from a foreign country. +, war is not fought today as it was 140 years ago. nor, for that matter, 50 years ago, or even 10 years ago.

Sweden was another country the Soviets had plans to by-pass

f*ck sweden!

Plus we could handle it because we have more rappers here than any other country

yeah, call P. Diddy and jay-Z, and see what they can do..

[tnwingtsun]

"Yes. Still a civil war, as I said,not an invasion from a foreign country. "

Those can be the worse kind(if there is such a thing)
Invasion was all too real to those whos women were raped houses burnt to the ground and livestock pillaged,this happened to both north and south,I know they didn't think of it as a tea party.

" war is not fought today as it was 140 years ago. nor, for that matter, 50 years ago, or even 10 years ago."


The principles of war have never changed.

You're still not factoring in the Second Amendment,which would have a big impact on ANY invading army,a socialistic country
would be much more easy to conquer and pacify,they're used to being told what,when and were they can do things

[chen zhen]

Those can be the worse kind(if there is such a thing)

True. war is war, but I meant the strategic way the war is fought. that is, the details.

The principles of war have never changed.

true. it's all about killing other people. but, I'm again talking about the details.

You're still not factoring in the Second Amendment,which would have a big impact on ANY invading army,a socialistic country

I don't know the second amendment.

[Laughing Cow]

Originally posted by tnwingtsun
We handled it in the 1860s to where entire towns and familys ceased to exist.

How many people are still alive to talk about the horrors of that "War"??

With experiene I am talking things that happened relatively recently and where survivors still exist ( WW II and after).

I sat at my Grandfather's knee and listened to stories about the War and his imprisonement in a Camp, as well as "first-hand" accounts about the occupation and the devastation of my home-town.

History takes on a slightly different meaning and affects you differently than if you just read about it in book or get a lecture in class.

This is experience not something you read in a history book.

[chen zhen]

I have to agree with LC. I have family-members who experienced WW2, and who have told me of their experiences. Americans also have this (but limited to being soldiers), but the civil war is still not something people can talk of having experienced.
But then again, I brought the subject of the civil war up..

[tnwingtsun]

Xcuse me gents,my bad I came in on the thread late,but just in time to read CZ's post,

"If a war was fought on US soil, i don't think you could handle it."

Hard to say,hope I never have to find out

After all CZ you did say,
"I wan't to rely on facts, not assumptions."



You're right LC,nothing can take the place of first hand accounts,the letters found in my family's bible from that period shine more light on what happened than any history book I've read.