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    !!!

    <<A baby need high school diploma to learn how to breath.
    And it has to be a certain high school diploma only.
    Is this natura? or dreaming?>>HS

    --To many folks it looks like you're walking off with a jackhammer. Best make sure beforehand that the other side could see the magic of your hat.--RH

    <<Beside, technical training is not equal to education. Smart doesnt mean Wisdom.>>HS

    --You know when Hendrick can't quote the answer from a book. Does that mean we have to listen to more oldies from the MTV?--RH

    <<For people who knows all about Chan this and Chan that. Hui Neng the six patriach doesnt even knows how to read and write....>>HS

    --Hendrik, it must be over a million times that you've been telling others about Chan this, Chan that, Hui Neng this, Hui Neng that... Why??? A Ch'an practioner lives by believing something, not by debating arguing about many things.--RH

    <<To much Windflower makes dream babies.>>HS

    --Could you elaborate? you seem to know what you are talking about dream babies, so let's get some detail, instead of simply posing "WORDS". I would just like to learn more from your end. A man must not swallow more beliefs than he can digest.--RH

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    Re: !!!

    A Ch'an practioner lives by believing something, not by debating arguing about many things.--RH



    1, Can you please tell us which chan lineage is your trasmission line? who is your teacher? Where is your mind seal?

    2, Believe? Chan practice is to live by believe something?
    Wow, how come all the Koan filled with debating and arguement?


    Do you need Hendrik To reply for you?

    Buddhism is about honesty. So admit it. You have no clue about Chan and WCK. Come on. why attach to yourself so much. admit you don't have a clue...and don't mislead people with looks smart off topic arquements... Don't get mad, Chan right? No self .... Ok you win over Hendrik already so admit it....you still win you see
    Last edited by Phenix; 08-05-2003 at 06:45 PM.

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    a new sutra for hendrik

    Wrong answer, He studied sutras after enlightenment.
    When you become enlightened you don't need the sutras.
    When you understand chan you don't need right or wrong.
    When you understand self you don't need to hide behind Hui Neng the six patriach.
    Tony Jacobs

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    "...Therefore the truly great man dwells on what is real
    and not what is on the surface,
    On the fruit and not the flower.
    Therefore accept the one and reject the other. "

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    Re: a new sutra for hendrik

    Originally posted by canglong


    When you become enlightened you don't need the sutras.
    When you understand chan you don't need right or wrong.
    When you understand self you don't need to hide behind Hui Neng the six patriach.


    Go back and read the six patriach sutra.
    Why is the 5th patriach teaching Him quating Vajra Sutra ?
    What did Hui Neng said about the SadnaPundarika Sutra?


    So you understand self. Great who certified you? which lineage?


    IS side outward block Tahn Sau?



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    certifiable

    Great who certified you? which lineage?
    A baby need high school diploma to learn how to breath. And it has to be a certain high school diploma only.
    Is this natura? or dreaming?
    Resolving inner conflict is healthy enjoy the journey.
    Tony Jacobs

    ng doh luk mun fa kin kwan

    "...Therefore the truly great man dwells on what is real
    and not what is on the surface,
    On the fruit and not the flower.
    Therefore accept the one and reject the other. "

    World Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun Kung Fu Association
    Southern Shaolin Kung Fu Global Discussion Forum

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    Re: certifiable

    Originally posted by canglong



    Resolving inner conflict is healthy enjoy the journey.


    Great !


    who certified you? which lineage? where to?

    Don't forget to read the 6th patriach sutra and map carefully. Good luck on your journey.
    Last edited by Phenix; 08-05-2003 at 06:40 PM.

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    Who Needs to Be Smart?

    Who needs to be smart: the teacher or the student?

    Some people excuse bad teaching by saying: students buy it, so it's OK to sell it. But pushers of drugs say the same. It is the responsibility of the teacher to teach the truth, even if the student cannot tell the difference between right and wrong. It is also the teacher's responsibility to teach in a way that really develops the student's Wing Chun knowledge.

    Imagine that a would-be student needs medicine. Is it fair to prescribe him a fake medicine just because he cannot tell it from a real one? The same is true of phony teachers and made-up lineages and philosophical malfeasance.

    For years, the Chinese communist authorities tried to silence intellectuals' concerns and were irritated, to say the least, when someone questioned their policies and "official" party line.

    Some may not like the Phenix's posts, but the truth only hurts when it should.

    Good luck on your journey.
    John Weiland
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    (And if he falls, he fights on his knees)
    ---Motto of the Roman Legionary

    "Aim at Heaven and you will get earth 'thrown in': aim at earth
    and you will get neither." --C. S. Lewis

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    focus

    Hendrik, your mind is losing it's focus and it is now time to regain that focus. Don't focus on the patriarch, don't focus on the sutras, don't focus on the certificates, don't focus on the lineage,
    where to aaah yes the road to enlightenment that is where to. Now focus and travel.


    John,
    sounds as if you are saying who needs to be smart when phenix can be smart for you. What truth of Phenix can you confirm?
    Tony Jacobs

    ng doh luk mun fa kin kwan

    "...Therefore the truly great man dwells on what is real
    and not what is on the surface,
    On the fruit and not the flower.
    Therefore accept the one and reject the other. "

    World Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun Kung Fu Association
    Southern Shaolin Kung Fu Global Discussion Forum

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    Canglong says:
    Hendrik, your mind is losing it's focus
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    I sure dont think so. He has his own unique writing style in English but he is pretty focus-ed.
    And he controls his ygkym structure and adjusts under pressure quite well. He is a quite calm and non vindictive person and he does know Chan in literature and practice. He knows other styles
    and he has been in contact matches at one time.


    I am not John,,, but John and I have both met him and spent some quality time with him.

    Despite all the sniping- he has remained characteristically
    non vindictive in his posts.
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    I find Hendrik very happy-go-along, generous, whimsical, and tough. It must have come from his vast resevoir of accumulated painful life experience.

    "The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain. - Kahlil Gibran"

    Regards,

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    Re: focus

    Originally posted by canglong
    Hendrik, your mind is losing it's focus and it is now time to regain that focus. Don't focus on the patriarch, don't focus on the sutras, don't focus on the certificates, don't focus on the lineage,
    where to aaah yes the road to enlightenment that is where to. Now focus and travel.

    Thanks for your advise.

    However, since Gautama Buddha is my teacher, that is the path to follow. since Avalokitasvara Buddhisatva is my teacher, that is the path to follow. Since Patraich Hsuan Hua is my direct teacher, that is the path to follow. Since Surangama sutra is my map, that is the path to follow. The path of Buddha, Dharma, and Sangha. If not this way, one is not a buddhist right?

    Certainly you have your respected way.

    But, sorry, A buddhist must travel in the Buddhist way. the path walks by all buddhas of past, present and future.

    We walk a different path. ..
    Last edited by Phenix; 08-06-2003 at 04:23 PM.

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    Originally posted by PaulH
    I find Hendrik very happy-go-along, generous, whimsical, and tough. It must have come from his vast resevoir of accumulated painful life experience.

    "The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain. - Kahlil Gibran"

    Regards,
    LOL! The joy and sorrow that comes from life in the Silicon Valley trenches.

    “Work like you don’t need the money,
    love like you’ve never been hurt,
    and dance like no one is watching.”
    --- Satchel Paige
    John Weiland
    "Et si fellitur de genu pugnat"
    (And if he falls, he fights on his knees)
    ---Motto of the Roman Legionary

    "Aim at Heaven and you will get earth 'thrown in': aim at earth
    and you will get neither." --C. S. Lewis

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    Joy, Paul,

    Thanks.

    John,

    MATRIX silicon Valley
    Where is Trinity?
    Last edited by Phenix; 08-06-2003 at 04:20 PM.

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    Re: Wing Chun - The smart person's art?

    Originally posted by mun hung
    Do you feel that the skill level of a Wing Chun practitioner is greatly influenced by his or her intelligence? Or can an intellectually challenged person still learn and apply as well?
    Okay I will concede that you can have skill without great intelligence. However, just because I can get the dog to salivate when the bell rings does not mean he knows why he is salivating.

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    Hendrik

    <<1, Can you please tell us which chan lineage is your trasmission line? who is your teacher? Where is your mind seal?>>HS

    --There is a difference between studying Buddhism and actually doing Buddhism "Sou Faat". You have not got out of the habit of your routine. Everytime I see you post something about Buddhism you seem to just quote stuff from books to be sarcastic. Hm....?! Why would anyone always talk about his lineage, his certificate and his mind seal in public? Is he doing the Gong show on broadway? Or is he a bumper sticker Buddhist?--RH

    <<2, Believe? Chan practice is to live by believe something?
    Wow, how come all the Koan filled with debating and arguement?>>HS

    --To use an analogy, either you are riding on a donkey or the donkey is riding on you. All the Koan, like the old dog leads the way, to debate and to see what is it, is to miss it completely!--RH

    <<Do you need Hendrik To reply for you?>>HS

    --Where and how could you do this? TenTigers and Savi have been waiting....Quote "Hey Phenix, when yer done dreaming/training, can you answer the questions?" --RH

    <<Buddhism is about honesty. So admit it. You have no clue about Chan and WCK. Come on. why attach to yourself so much. admit you don't have a clue...and don't mislead people with looks smart off topic arquements... Don't get mad, Chan right? No self .... Ok you win over Hendrik already so admit it....you still win you see >>HS

    --This is old world magic. In the age of the Internet and the Web, you have often eaten a food whose name you are unaware of. -"I like corrot and I hate pickle". Does this remind you about this -"abmit it" peeping Tom and his quote out of context, and draw incorrect conclusions from books?--RH
    Last edited by Rolling_Hand; 08-06-2003 at 08:14 PM.

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