Whats the best style for quick and powerful self defense?

[honorisc]

"Whats the best style for quick and powerful self defense?"
There is only one correct answer: The style you have practiced hard and learned well.

And then person woke-up...quick seemed to me to indicatate a person with at least virtually no training to acquire powerful "self-defense". If it is not study time oriented then of courseyou are not wrong~

Kara-te--you can learn techniques quickly that are powerful~ within a month.

Aikido/Juijitsu (not the stuff called Brazilian)/Bujinkan(taijitsu)--can learn powerful self-defense quickly~

I'm not sure how Wing Chun begins but the stance and hands indicate that this would be powerful self-defense learned quickly.

Praying mantis, if the do forms first would be good but might be too techniquey to be a quick learn to get powerful techniques.

Shaolin and the other fighing Kung-fus are too develope the body first to learn powerful sel-f defense quickly.

Arnis type things would be good except weapons arenot all the time on hand, even sticks. So I'm sticking to empty-hand thingies.

Interenal arts--take a month to begin to get propper strength and years to get useable real fight comprehension...

If what was meant was styles~that even after long use gets one quickness and power for "self- defense", then Jerry Love at least as basically correct. They all can be some kind of good. While they have their own -nesses the individual can mold it to accentuate the aspect(s) of choice. Note:this use by preference alters that art from it's way to be passed on. Pass it on the way you're taught~ make it your own~. Shw them your way after you've given them The Way. Then they can find Their Way. Which like children is a littlebit of you and a little bit of your teachers, anf a little bit of their teachers...Perhaps, some-such.

Very some such,perhaps might have been, likely say some, some not.

[Koing]

if you want fast and good self defence. I would say Wing Chun from my experience. The other things I trained in were okay but Wing Chun to be the better.

In a *real* situation speed is a very big factor. In Wing Chun you learn to chain punch and fast at that. You will get very good and quick at it. You may never bother to go further but I encourage you to do so. but if your in trouble a quick Wing Chun punch to the center body or chin or face will do. Then if you got to a higher level of teaching could go for the chin and or neck with other blows. but if you havne't then just go in with loads of chain punches to the head. Nothing fancy and I'm SURE it would knock anyone down. or serveraly beat them. but if you want really quick, how much time do you have exactly? or are you not willing to learn a Martial Art and just want the self defence parts?

Most of the arts will be all practical. But I would say go for Wing Chun. Nothing fancy. Simple movements that can deal alot of pain and power.

Remember when that thug draws his hand back or goes to sing. YOU would have been trained not to swing back and unleash a wasteful movement of a punch. But from where your hands are you will just block with one hand and punch with the other straight to his face. This will easily if your not like a fly hit him off. And you can combo in or run if you want to.

In the end that person said about running. that is ultimately true. If you can run do RUN.

^_^

SLUPPA BUT SO...only a Cambodian person may know this....hehe

"Bye 4 now; not 4 ever"

[SLC]

Ahhhh.... (SLC says, bowing to No_Know), "quick", as in short/small training commitment, rather than the velocity with which your body reacts. :D

[Rolling Elbow]

Learning techniques and applying them are too different things..wake up to that fact. bujinkan budo taijutsu as you mentioned is not a quickly learned and easy to use art. i have seen many lower level people in teh art and they would get smoked by someone with 6 months Wing Chun.

Aikido-budo taijutsu: you are looking at a long way to combat proficiency.(depending on the practitioner of course, but generally)

Short term and wuick defense i would say any art that stresses all out destruction :

JKD,Thai boxing, Krav Maga, Kyokushin kai karate

for quick skills i would say in kungfu :

wing chun and any other southern or norther art with hand skills and realistic applications. Depends on how much form training you do vs. actually using elements of the form in realistic application.

for the others..

Who said Okinawan arts are too rigid? REal masters are not rigid. even Shotokan does not and is not supposed to be soo **** rigid. Allot of chinese arts have also become rigid due to americanization, lets not foget that.

finally, H-sing, Bagua, Tai- Chi- who said they are quick skills learned for defense? They take asl ong as bujinkan budo taijutsu and aikido do.Why? Cause you have to lean to control your whole body and move with principles in mind. Anything that stressees the right basics early on will be good. Movement, strikes,breaks, comfort on teh ground, that is the key.

The downside however, is that no 6 month training will turn a Charles Atlas comic geek into a Bruce Lee unless he was one tough SOB in the first place. 80% of people practicing are all fluff and full of s**t. So someone can give you basic skills, but you need the balls and conditioning to put them to use.

Michael Panzerotti
Taijutsu Nobody from the Great White North..

[BAI HE]

I see alot of folks here really slagging Shotokan.
In the higher levels you'll start to see more natural less rigid postures. As far as "stiff" goes, sure their stiff. I've seen plenty of people get knocked stiff with simple Shotokan techniques.

[omegapoint]

Shotokan=Sport Shorin Ryu, but it is better than most other Ryu. Kyokushinkai might be a better "hard" style to learn, although it is similar to Shotokan. I say master one, and learn many.Peace...OP
:cool:

[BAI HE]

The psychological and physical conditioning
involved with studying Shotokan serve as a great base from which to start.
I now study CMA but when I studied Shotokan I loved the fact that we sparred every night. Most of our time was spent preparing to fight. Shotokan will toughen you up quick.
I studied at a very traditional school. There was no real "sport" about it. I'm not very familiar with the specifics of Shorin-Ryu, but I will concede that the Okinawan Styles are more effective.

[tnwingtsun]

" Mr. Groundking, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard.
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything
that could be considered a rational thought.
Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
:rolleyes:

[Raimondo]

Muay Thai is good, because it teaches you how to grab and knee someone properly.

[MADDRAGONFLY]

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu for 1 on 1 confrontation.

To be a warrior.....<img src="http://bjj.org/figures/choke-anim.gif"width=35 height=45>>YOU MUST TRAIN!!

[MIKSANSOO]

find a school of any style that has hands on fighting or sparring. that's the quickest way to learn how to fight. stand up drills and techniques that are called like "plum blossum technique" usually won't do you good on the street unless you have a situation that suits that exact technique. find the right instructor! :cool:

[unclaimed effort]

Raimondo, by properly do you mean exposing your whole centerline?

When you win a fight, who do you think feels worse, you or your opponent?

[Lost_Disciple]

Personally, if you're talking fast self defense, you want a quick defense and a limited number of offensive strikes. If you're talking quick, that means you're not talking getting anything really good, just as few techniques as possible so you can still remember proper mechanics.

My personal choice would be Western Boxing. If you've only got a week to train, you could at least learn how to punch correctly. No boxing school will let you spar without at least 6 months of training (acording USA Boxing- the amateur boxing federation). Western Boxing is actually a deep and rich tradition, after getting a good taste of it this summer, it's much more of an art form than I would've ever guessed.

Koing
What you described about a punch leaping forward with no pull back is consistent with boxing. I don't know what Rocky movies you've seen, but any pulling back movement, except instantly after the punch is thrown, is generally a bad thing.

omegapoint-
I agree with just about everything you said about okinawa and japan. I went to high school there. Eventhough I trained kung fu while I was there, I had a lot of friends who did Shorinryu, Uechi Ryu (or whatever the real name is), Seidokan, and a friend who fought kyokushinkai (although he learned on the mainland). I'm not a huge fan of Shorin Ryu, I'd met Fusei Kiisei a bunch of times. The uechi Ryu fighters were famous for sending 15 year olds to on-base competitions, and breaking Marines' legs in sparring. I remember hearing a saying from the older generation that was popular when the last emperor died: "Emperor die, me no cry". I'd just like to make 1 miniscule correction. Okinawan dialect is Uchinaguchi. Hougen is a Japanese word that's like an umbrella term for any japanese dialect.

In college, nothing to do and no money so no beer.

[Koing]

hey Lost_Disciple,

I meant if the other guy pulls his hand to swing at you which most people tend to do. Then if you have done Wing Chun you won't be swinging your arm back to throw a movie punch. But you will do a good centre line punch from wherever your hands are. Also I know as I do Wing Chun always have my hands out in front of me and never behind me if I can help it. Which is most of the times.

The speed of your punch and you can easily follow in or just keep doing a few centre line punches to hit that guy in the face.

What did you mean anyway?

"Bye 4 now; not 4 ever"

[Lost_Disciple]

Sorry, didn't mean to get on your case. I thought you were implying that only wingchun would have you firing a punch without pulling your arm back. I guess I misread your first post. I was just saying that boxing does the same, except for the centerline part.