Captian of what?

[The Willow Sword]

Quoted by Count replying to Black jack

He's also very accessible and can demonstrate his principles against full force. Why don't you meet him next time he's in town and judge for yourself? I'm sure he would be accommodating.

Oh count you know BJ would never do anything like that because Black jack is a little wussy boy. who types alot of Shiite but never delivers. BJ is a REAL martial artist, HE knows whats what right? he knows whats goin on.

Hey i a not a painter advocate myself, i saw his little clip walking the circle and i thought it looked pretty crappy. but that doesnt mean that he cant rip BJ a new keester hole. Of course BJ might actually NEED two B-holes to really get out all the BS that HE eats.

[Black Jack]

Hey f@g anytime you want to visit you are more than welcome to swish on down and talk trash up front and personal.

1455 Fairway Drive, Naperville

If you are trying to turn me on with that kind of talk it is not working. Though the sound of your grandmother gulping around my swollen ****** worked wonders. For an old ***** she really can groove.

Why would I waste my time paying for a seminar?

If he wanted to stop by for free and use his long force to push me around than I would be more than up for it. I have no problem being used for a long force demo. I know I saw the freakin article and it was not Mooney nor Moneymaker nor Dillman nor Kim or the SD dog faced grandmaster.

Someone else saw the article around here I am sure. Either way if people want to believe in mystical long force go ahead and believe in such garbage. F@ckin nimrods.

Big Trouble in Little China was real. Those were not actors.

[The Willow Sword]

I already have issued my challenges here on the forum and met them and had the honor and the courage to see them through.
You talk about trash talk BJ,, you are the king of it here man.

my opinions about painter are of that clip i saw which in my opinion looks pretty shabby, and lving here in texas and hearing all about painter i would think there would be some better footage of him doing his bagua. but i am certainly not taking the approach you are taking with him.

oh and only a complete moron and FOOL would post his address for all to see here on the internet. you really are a fukwit BJ.
have a happy life dood.

[Fred Sanford]

I already have issued my challenges here on the forum and met them and had the honor and the courage to see them through.

So, how are those ribs doing? back to normal? Shaolin-do the real street lethal.

[The Willow Sword]

besides for the last fukin time i quit Sd two years ago and have been alot better off. (is that you Reemul)?

[MasterKiller]

Black Jack,

A real CMA challenge should also be accompanied with your social security number and your mother's maiden name.

[PHILBERT]

Either Black Jack is a rich man, or his school is a rich school, to have a country club located behind it.

[Black Jack]

I have nothing to hide you whiny pu$$y f@rt. You are the biggest b!tch on this forum. I don't need to hide behind a user name. You f@cking baby.

You know where I am. I will be more than happy to meet up anytime you are in the neighborhood cowpoke.

Philbert- Actually there is a large country club/colf course behind where I currently live. Its basically my backyard.

Cheers

[CD Lee]

OK, ok, I can't take it.

BlackJack - I am a student at the Gompa. I study Xingyi, but have worked with Dr. Painter there. He has perfomed many apps on me, knocked my butt to the floor, thrown me, struck me, etc. This is in self defence classes (PKC), Seminars, and regular classes. Whether he believes in empty force, I cannot say (I doubt it). I CAN say, I have have not heard one single word about empty force at the shcool. We regularly make jokes about it in class, especially if someone missed a class, we say we learned dim mak or levitation, or Chi blasts from a distance while they were out. Then we all laugh. You know why? Its funny.

Yes the marketing is flashy, no the teaching is not. The school and Dr. Painter heavily downplay the idea of mysterious powers, and focus on physics, angles, rooting, crap that works if you can do it. No magic, just hard work.

I am in an odd position of seeing all this internet crap and bashing that goes on and then see him every week. All I can do is shake my head in disbelief.

Backjack - Do you really, really want the answer to your question? Go to his website, his Bagua Yahoo Group, or call him, and get your friggin' answer. Honestly, how in the world can you stand wasting all your time posting, when you can find out in a simple communication to the man?

[cerebus]

Ha Ha! Hey Blackjack, are ya' sure ya' don't mind if Painter pushes his "long force" into you? LOL ! Make sure he lubes up! I've never seen Painter's martial arts so I can't comment, but why the HELL does he like dressing up in goofy pseudo-military costumes for photos in his magazine articles? I mean, yeah, I can see using boots & fatigues as a training uniform if ya want, but why the beret & CHiPs sunglasses? It makes him look kinda foolish. Anyway, even without any MA ability, the dude looks like he'd be tough to scrap with. I mean, his arms are built like thighs and his chest is the male equivalent of Dolly Parton! Does he do roids (Uh, I mean, Chinese Herbs, yeah that's it )? T.

[Brad]

Make sure he lubes up! I've never seen Painter's martial arts so I can't comment, but why the HELL does he like dressing up in goofy pseudo-military costumes for photos in his magazine articles?

Why do people wear long out of fashion chinese robes in articles?

[Tak]

Originally posted by Kung Lek
I don't understand why the need for the marketing schmaltz. Good content is really all that is required.

Aggressive marketing is necessary for survival as a commercial entity in the US, where flash long ago dominated substance in the mind of the prospective consumer.

[Meat Shake]

Consumers are generally a very ignorant and biased crowd. Cater to the consumer and you will succeed, cater to your own wishes and chances are you wont. The marketing ****es me off too, but there is a reason for it... most the time. Just sucks that "shaolin" has turned into such a money making icon with not much real meaning anymore...

[Meat Shake]

"Why do people wear long out of fashion chinese robes in articles?"

So they too, can feel this cool ->
You will one day understand. I have my blackbelt in .

[Tak]

Speaking of cheesy marketing shots, how about that one of Cung Le on page 2 of the MAM catalog?