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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    Persecuted in China because of their political desires.
    No. No political desires.
    Chinese authorities are fond of claiming that Falun Gong has “turned political,” and the phrase has, remarkably, found its way into a few accounts of the practice. The undertone is that Falun Gong has “sold out” as it were, or compromised its beliefs, entering the political arena.

    The claim is problematic in several regards. (We’ll set aside the irony of a political dictatorship suggesting that it’s unseemly for a group to be “political.”)

    The first and most basic fact to note is that Falun Gong as a group has no political aspiration—not now, nor ever before. Nor does it oppose or support any particular political entity, China’s dictatorship included. Neither does not advocate for any particular political system.

    What it has sought to do, rather, is to document and disclose the crimes against humanity to which it is subjected in China. Doing so is not a political act.

    It just so happens that the perpetrator of those said abuses is China’s communist party—a very much political entity. Thus, as circumstances would have it, when Falun Gong adherents document acts of torture or murder and name their culprit, they are naming a political entity.

    That does not change the nature of the action, nor its motive. It remains every bit as humanitarian in impulse as would a mother crying out for help were someone to kidnap her dear child. Were the kidnapper a local politician, it would not mean she had “turned political” with her cry for help, much less harbored political aspirations. Nor would it imply that her motherly nature had morphed into something less noble. Indeed, her cry would have been motivated by none other than maternal love.

    In the same vein, the activist flyers issuing forth from the ranks of Falun Gong are motivated not by a wish for personal gain, much less worldly power. Rather, they bespeak of a concern for the welfare of fellow human beings who they know to be suffering and at risk. It is an act of compassion, and fully consistent with, if not informed by, the teachings of Falun Gong.

    - See more at: http://faluninfo.net/article/655/Mis....GbVwYeGV.dpuf

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    lol @ rabbit eyed gringos fawning over thousand year old death cult

    15 years aboard those scientology sailing ships is like disney land compared to falun gong
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    You mean the Chinese government? (Heh heh)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juna View Post
    No. No political desires.
    If that was true, why would the Chinese Government even care about a bunch of people doing qigong and being happy?

    That happens across the whole country as it is.

    If that was true why do the Falun Gong do political demonstrations in china and abroad?

    If that was true why do the Falun Dafa groups have loads and loads of anti Chinese government propaganda happening basically all the time at every opportunity?


    I'm no fan of the PRC government, but it is disingenuous to say that Falun Gong/Dafa doesn't have political motivations. It's quite obvious to any observer that they clearly do as an organization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    If that was true, why would the Chinese Government even care about a bunch of people doing qigong and being happy?
    Both Jiang Zemin and the CCP Fear Truthfulness, Compassion, and Tolerance
    The history of the international communist movement was written with the blood of hundreds of millions of people. Nearly every communist country went through a process similar to the counter-revolutionary suppression by Stalin in the former Soviet Union. Millions or even tens of millions of innocent people were slaughtered.

    In the 1990s, the former Soviet Union dissolved, and Eastern Europe went through drastic changes. The communist bloc lost more than half of its territory overnight. The CCP learned from this lesson and realized that stopping suppression and allowing the right to free speech was the equivalent to seeking its own doom.

    If people were allowed to express themselves freely, how could the CCP cover up its bloody atrocities? How could it justify its deceptive ideology? If suppression was stopped and people were free of threats and fears, wouldn’t they dare to choose a lifestyle and a belief other than communism? Then, how would the Communist Party maintain the social basis essential to its survival?

    The CCP remains essentially the same regardless of any surface changes it might have made. After the June 4 massacre, Jiang Zemin cried out to “eliminate any unstable factors in their embryonic stage.” Extremely afraid, he concluded that he would never give up lying to the public, and he would continue to suppress the people until they were completely immobilized.

    During this period, Falun Gong was introduced in China. At first, Falun Gong was regarded by many as a type of qigong[4] with an especially powerful ability to keep people healthy and fit. Later, people gradually realized the essence of Falun Gong was not its five easy exercises. Instead, Falun Gong’s essence is to teach people to become better based upon the principles of truthfulness, compassion, and tolerance.

    CCP Brews ‘Falsehood, Hatred, and Struggle’
    Falun Gong promotes truthfulness, including telling the truth and doing truthful things. The CCP relies on lies to brainwash people. If everyone began telling the truth, the public would learn that the CCP grew by ingratiating itself with the Soviet Union, murdering, kidnapping, taking flight when convenient, planting opium, usurping the cause of fighting against the Japanese invasion, and so on.

    The CCP once claimed, “Nothing significant can be accomplished without lying.” After the CCP seized power, it initiated successive political movements and incurred countless bloody debts. Promoting truthfulness would thus spell certain doom to the CCP.

    Falun Gong promotes compassion, including considering others first and being kind to others in all circumstances. The CCP has always advocated “brutal struggle and merciless crackdown.” The CCP’s model hero, Lei Feng, once said, “We should treat our enemies mercilessly, being as cold as the severe winter.”

    Actually, the CCP treated not only its enemies like that; it has not treated its own members any better. The founders of the Communist Party, the supreme commanders and marshals, and even a chairman of the country were all mercilessly interrogated, brutally beaten, and miserably tortured by their own Party.

    The slaughter of the so-called “class enemies” was so brutal it could make one’s hair stand on end. If compassion had dominated society, the mass movements based upon vice, as initiated by the Communist Party, would have never been able to take place.

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    The same holds true even in perhaps the most seemingly political of gestures. For instance, when Falun Gong adherents hand out copies of the Nine Commentaries—an expose of China’s communist party—that act is similarly spawned. It is rooted in a concern for the well-being of others, namely fellow Chinese.

    Ditto for lawsuits against key Chinese officials identified with the persecution. They seek not to “bring down” some hefty politician, but to curb acts of inhumanity carried out at his order. If he desists in his ways, the suit will have the added effect of having ultimately been for that official’s own good as well.

    If the ramifications of such acts are political—such as diminished appeal for the Party—that is but one of multiple effects, and not that effort’s purpose.
    - See more at: http://faluninfo.net/article/655/Mis....xQXLpwKs.dpuf

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    Juna would be a lot more believable if the references he cited were NOT official Falun Gong groups.

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    Well if they are, I guess their target is still addressing a government with a human rights environment that "would make your hair stand on end" - don't know to judge and wouldn't.
    People in this country get their way to be losers and it's so important to them other people can pay the price. That's less worthy than some bunch taking their own damage and standing for something.
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    falungong controlled china would make ccp look like hippies

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    The Communist Party feared that traditional morality would be accepted by the people.
    At the same time, the high moral standards demonstrated by Falun Gong practitioners, who practice truthfulness, compassion, and tolerance, resonated with kindness in the hearts of the public. More than 100 million people were attracted to Falun Gong and started the practice. Falun Gong is a mirror of righteousness that by its very nature reveals all the unrighteousness of the CCP.
    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/3947...-falun-gong/2/
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    It seems like until they start wild harvesting and selling organs, one could see how they might have more appealing ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by curenado View Post
    It seems like until they start wild harvesting and selling organs, one could see how they might have more appealing ideas.
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    Anastasia Lin - Miss World contender

    I was going to post this in our Beauty-Pageants thread, but then remembered this old monster in our oft-neglected qigong forum...

    Anastasia Lin: a Falun Gong practitioner seeking the Miss World crown – in China
    Despite claims that her father is being harassed in China over her association with the spiritual faith, Miss World Canada 2015 refuses to renounce it and her humanitarian work: ‘I feel my presence in that country would give people hope’


    Anastasia Lin hopes revealing her faith will help the fight against religious persecution in China. Photograph: Courtesy of Anastasia Lin
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    Thursday 27 August 2015 14.12 EDT Last modified on Tuesday 1 September 2015 08.18 EDT

    Under different circumstances, Anastasia Lin would be a shoo-in for Miss World. A vocal human rights activist with prominent cheekbones, the Canadian candidate for the crown is also an accomplished piano player, a Chinese calligrapher, and an actress with more than 20 credits in film and television.

    But this year’s contest takes place in Lin’s native China, which poses a threat for the finalist and her family as Lin practises the spiritual faith of Falun Gong.

    Tens of millions in China practice Falun Gong, which combines moral philosophy, meditation and qigong exercises, and emerged out of ideas prevalent in alternative Chinese medicine.

    Falun Gong believers have been detained and killed in Chinese labour camps in their thousands, according to activists. The religion was branded an “evil cult” and outlawed in 1999, following a silent demonstration by thousands of Falun Gong practitioners outside Communist party headquarters, who were protesting attacks on its members. Since then, nearly 4,000 practitioners of Falun Gong have reportedly died as a result of detention in camps, though human rights researchers believe the number to be much higher.

    Lin, an outspoken advocate on human rights and religious persecution, had refrained from publicly disclosing her faith. But having gained a wider platform thanks to winning the Canadian crown, Lin revealed her faith practice to the Guardian, hoping it would help stop the demonization of the Falun Gong faith and give voice to other Chinese people who are persecuted for their beliefs.

    “If I don’t, the oppression will never stop,” Lin said.


    Anastasia Lin is crowned Miss World Canada 2015. Lin has revealed to the Guardian that she is a practitioner of Falun Gong. Photograph: Andrew Chin/Getty Images

    Though she has kept her faith out of the public eye, she has been anoutspoken advocate for other minority religious groups persecuted in China, such as Muslim Uighurs, Tibetan Buddhists and Christians.

    But it is for her outspoken advocacy work that she says the Chinese ministry of state security is trying to silence her by intimidating her father.

    Lin has set foot in China only once since moving to Canada in 2003, but she says her father, who still lives in Hunan province, has been visited by security agents at least once. According to Lin, he is not affiliated with Falun Gong or any religious group.

    Just a few days after winning the Miss World Canada crown on 16 May, Lin began receiving text messages from her father asking her to stop her advocacy work. She had highlighted her human rights work in a video and speech at the pageant.

    “Do you know the security forces actually came to see me,” Lin said, recounting a text from her father. She said he warned her that if she continued to do her human rights work, she would risked turning her family against each other. “When I asked him more details, he just pleaded that I allow him to live peacefully by not bringing up rights abuses in China again.”

    Since then, his business has suffered. “Now people are too scared to be associated with him,” said Lin, who has featured in Canadian films critical of the Chinese regime since the age of 18.

    She doesn’t know if agents have visited him again as she said he refuses to talk about it during their brief phone calls. “Nowadays, he always mentions how great the Chinese president is,” she adds. “I think he believes that his phone is being tapped.”

    Lin’s case is a classic example of how Xi Jinping’s regime tries to bring Chinese expatriates to heel through the harassment of loved ones left behind, explains Sophie Richardson, China director at Human Rights Watch. “Chinese activists’ parents and siblings are sometimes prosecuted on false allegations while others simply disappear. It amounts to psychological torture,” Richardson said.


    Police detain a Falun Gong protester in Tiananmen Square as a crowd watches in Beijing, in 2000. Photograph: Chien-Min Chung/AP

    But Lin continued her activist work, by writing a Washington Post op-ed in June and by testifying to the US Congress in July about religious persecution in China.

    By coming out now as a practitioner of Falun Gong, Lin has become its highest-profile follower in the western hemisphere.

    “It’s not an organised religion,” she said. “The teachings – established by qigong master Li Hongzi in 1992 – are about finding our authentic self. And this is what I’m trying to do by speaking up. If I don’t, the oppression will never stop.”

    Lin’s experience comes amid harsher treatments of religious minorities and human rights lawyers, explains Sophie Richardson. “The Chinese state has become increasingly paranoid and authoritarian since Xi Jinping took power in 2013,” she says. Chinese Christians have been a notable target of late. Authorities have removed crosses from more than 1,200 churches since early 2014 and the country’s security forces this week launched a roundup of church activists who oppose the crosses’ removals.

    Lin has also felt ostracised by segments of the Canadian Chinese community, despite her Miss World Canada win and the backing of the Canadian government for her activism. She said she stopped being invited to events by community leaders tied to the Chinese embassy and consulate since her crowning. And to those community events that she is invited to, she is “monitored” by the Chinese consulate.

    “They send officials to all social events,” says the actress, who also believes that her phone is tapped.

    Whether China will allow her to compete in the Miss World final in Sanya, on Hainan Island, is uncertain, as many Falun Gong practitioners have been denied entry to the country in recent years.

    “My aim is not to put an anti-China slogan on the stage,” she insists. “After all, it’s a beauty pageant. But I feel that my presence in that country alone would give people hope. The regime would show itself worthy of hosting the [2022 winter Olympic] Games by allowing me to enter China freely.”
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    Greetings,

    I have seen some Falun gong practitioners here in NYC. I have observed some doing their chi practices. There was absolutely nothing going on inside. They were just holding a pose. In that regard I am very concerned with the younger generation of practitioners who, once realizing that they are practicing quackery, will turn their backs to the traditional disciplines, finally achieving what Mao envisioned decades ago. the aforementioned sentence is the real danger of Falun Gong.

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    awwww, the web ate my Anastasia pix

    What's the point of posting about beauty queens without pix? But fear not. The story continues....

    updated - September 3, 2015 Thursday EDT
    Family Of Miss World 2015 Contestant Reportedly Threatened In China?
    Aug 29, 2015 08:11 PM EDT | By Jon Lindley Agustin


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    The family of a Miss World 2015 contestant representing Canada in the pageant later this year is reportedly being threatened in China, after claiming her national title in Vancouver last May, The Globe and Mail recently reported.

    Twenty-five-year-old Miss World 2015 contestant Anastasia Lin reportedly said that she has received "harrowing text messages from her father" after her win to represent Canada in the pageant, claiming that her father has been threatened to lose his support.

    "He said that the security services threatened him with turning my family into something from the Cultural Revolution," she said in the report.

    According to history information website, the Cultural Revolution in China was among the worst genocides in history, having claimed around 30 million lives. Families then were reportedly encouraged to disown one another.

    She was also reportedly asked to avoid talking about politics, considering her Falun Gong beliefs - a religion branded as "evil cult," causing many of its followers to get detained and killed, a report on The Guardian said.

    But this Miss World 2015 contestant reportedly said she will not renounce her beliefs, saying "I feel my presence in that country would give people hope."

    According to The Guardian, millions of people practice the Falun Gong belief in China, a mixture of meditation, moral philosophy and qigong exercises. However, the report further mentioned how some of its followers were killed and detailed in Chinese camps.

    This Miss World 2015 contestant Anastasia Lin recently just went open on her Falun Gong practice, after winning the national title.

    She reportedly said that her voice will "stop the demonization" of the Falun Gong faith and hopes to provide a platform for more people oppressed for their beliefs.

    "If I don't, oppression will never stop," Miss World 2015 contestant Anastasia Lin said in the report.

    Miss World 2015 will be held in Sanya, China later this year.


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