No one is persuading you to give up your own practice.Originally Posted by Royal Dragon
Falun Dafa gives people to chance to returning to one's original, true self.
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No one is persuading you to give up your own practice.
Falun Dafa gives people to chance to returning to one's original, true self.
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TRUTHFULNESS, BENEVOLENCE and FORBEARANCE, which one is not good?
According to your logic, ccp's evil atrocity is good?
Last edited by Juna; 02-08-2015 at 11:51 AM.
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They're excellent traits to have, unfortunately, some of the rest of the teachings and the leadership's actions contradict these values as have been shown, devaluing the rest of the teachings.TRUTHFULNESS, BENEVOLENCE and FORBEARANCE, which one is not good?
He never said they were. Though I suppose you could say that the Chinese government's analysis of the group isn't far off, though their methods at dealing with the cult aren't good.According to your logic, ccp's evil atrocity is good?
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Juna, you are truly lost. I hope you find your way back to reality.
Kung Fu is good for you.
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Juna-
I haven't Libeled or slander anything, I'm drawing directly out of your little book and articles with your leader to point out that the emperor really has no clothes.
You are bold to say you know the universe so intimately. Please reassess.
Your purpose here shows to not be about helping, but rather about convincing others to join your cult in order to validate it.
I for one will not validate your cult because it is wrong in principle. Right from the start it is incorrect because it was formed by a man who obviously is seriously dissconnected from reality on so many levels it is not funny.
Taking advantage of the millions of people who have agape to forward a quest for personal power is the only evil I see here Juna. You are a willing participant in the evil goals of a demented man.
Believe it or not, this is very disheartening. Your persistence even moreso. You are completely unwilling to take at least one step back and review it seems.
It is sad to see and know that people willingly give up their free will and minds to such a man as Li Hongzhi. I'm afraid that if there is any price to be paid karma wise, it is you and your ilk who will be paying.
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Every Falun Gong practitioner has his own free will and free mind.
But ccp does not allow people have free will:
http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/4-12-26/25182.htmlViolent Brainwashing, Mind Control, Tight Organization and No Quitting Once Admitted
The CCP’s organization is extremely tight: one needs two party members’ references before admission; a new member must swear to be loyal to the party forever once admitted; party members must pay membership dues, attend organizational activities, and take part in group political study. The party organizations penetrate all levels of the government. There are basic CCP organizations in every single village, town, and neighborhood. The CCP controls not only its party members and party affairs, but also those who are not members, because the entire regime must “adhere to the Party’s leadership.” In those years when class struggle campaigns were carried out, the “priests” of the CCP religion, namely, the Party secretaries at all levels, more often than not, did not know exactly what they did other than disciplining people.
The “criticism and self-criticism” in the party meetings serves as a common, unending means for controlling the minds of party members. Throughout its existence, the CCP has launched a multitude of political movements for “purifying the Party members,” “rectifying the Party atmosphere,” “capturing traitors,” “purging the Anti-Bolshevik Corps (AB Corps) [3]” and “disciplining the Party,” periodically testing the “sense of Party nature”—that is, using violence and terror to test the Party members’ devotion to the Party, while assuring they keep in step with it forever.
Joining the CCP is like signing an irrevocable contract to sell one’s body and soul. With the Party’s rules being always above the laws of the Nation, the Party can dismiss any party member at will, while the individual party member cannot quit the CCP without incurring severe punishment. Quitting the Party is considered disloyal and will bring about dire consequences. During the Great Cultural Revolution when the CCP cult held absolute rule, it was well known that if the party wanted you dead, you could not live; if the party wanted you alive, you could not die. If a person committed suicide, he would be labeled as “dreading the people’s punishment for his crime” and his family members would also be implicated and punished.
The decision process within the Party operates like a black box, as the intra-party struggles must be kept in absolute secrecy. Party documents are all confidential. Dreading exposure of their criminal acts, the CCP frequently tackles dissidents by charging them with “divulging state secrets.”
4. Urging Violence, Carnage and Sacrifice for the Party
Mao Zedong said, “A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another.” [4]
Deng Xiaoping recommended “Killing 200,000 people in exchange for 20 years’ stability.”
Jiang Zemin ordered, “Destroy them (Falun Gong practitioners) physically, defame their reputation, and bankrupt them financially.”
The CCP promotes violence, and has killed countless people throughout its previous political movements. It educates people to treat the enemy “as cold as the severe winter.” The red flag is understood to be red for having been “dyed red with martyrs’ blood.” The Party worships red due to its addiction to blood and carnage.
The CCP makes an exhibition of “heroic” examples to encourage people to sacrifice for the Party. When Zhang Side died working in a kiln to produce opium, Mao Zedong praised his death as being “heavy as Mount Tai [5].” In those frenzied years, “brave words” such as “Fear neither hardship nor death” and “Bitter sacrifice strengthens bold resolve; we dare to make the sun and moon shine in new skies” gave aspirations substance amidst an extreme shortage of material supplies.
At the end of the 1970s, the Vietcong dispatched troops and overthrew the Khmer Rouge regime, which was fostered by the CCP and committed unspeakable crimes. Although the CCP was furious, it could not dispatch troops to support the Khmer Rouge, since China and Cambodia did not share a common border. Instead, the CCP launched a war against Vietnam along the Chinese-Vietnam border to punish the Vietcong in the name of “self-defense.” Tens of thousands of Chinese soldiers therefore sacrificed blood and lives for this struggle between Communist Parties. Their deaths had in fact nothing to do with territory or sovereignty. Nevertheless, several years later, the CCP disgracefully memorialized the senseless sacrifice of so many naive and bright young lives as “the revolutionary heroic spirit,” irreverently borrowing the song “The elegant demeanor dyed by blood.” 154 Chinese martyrs died in 1981 recapturing Mount Faka in Guangxi Province, but the CCP casually returned it to Vietnam after China and Vietnam surveyed the boundary.
When the rampant spread of SARS threatened people’s lives at the beginning of 2003, the CCP readily admitted many young female nurses. These women were then quickly confined in hospitals to nurse SARS patients. The CCP push young people to the most dangerous frontline, in order to establish its “glorious image” of “Fear neither hardship nor death.” However, the CCP has no explanation as to where the rest of the current 65 million party members were and what image they brought to the Party.
Last edited by Juna; 02-06-2015 at 05:21 AM.
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Juna, what you are spreading is equal propoganda and only serves to muddy the truth even more.
a lot of what fg/fd protestors go on about is absolutely fallicious and untrue.
Many of us, if not all of us are aware the ccp is a communist government and yes, they ahve a bad record of human rights.
we know this before fg/fd decides to make noise in the west.
does fg/fd do anything in China? No! Only abroad they tell their tales but unlike other movements within china, they are indirect and no where near as active as th democracy now group say or others.
besides, what does your little book have to do with any of that?
what are you? a political chump? there's nothing like that in your leaflet.
yourleaflet is all about space aliens, ancient anomolies and other various rants and fantasies followed by a short series of qigongs that have been ripped from various sources.
You don't seem to recognize the evil that springs forth from such chaotic actions and mind. fg/fd is chaos and nonsensical, you trip over your words, you evade questions, and you outright lie about what fg/fd is to otehrs here and to yourself.
fg/fd is evil, li hongzhi is a greedy and evil little man and you are a sheep.
that is the truth. we know chinese governmentr leaves much to be desired, but your directionless and chaotic mind cult is screwed up even worse.
break free of it, you think you are free, but you are a slave to your cult. Li would have you all be his slaves. He is a twisted mind in this world.
You can't even post your own commentary and resort to the nonsense and drivel and pack of lies from your little websites of perpetuated nonsense.
remarkable really. Li must have a real grip on you. your mind is weakened by fg/fd.
wake up and wipe the foolishness away. the vehicle for doing something good in the world is NOT Fg/Fd, only bad can come from that group and their chaos and lack of direction and lack of truth.
You yourself are unable to face simple truths. You are living inside a lie. It's not even a complex lie, it's a stupid lie that only mentally deficient people would fall for.
We have pity for you Juna, but not for the reasons you might want us to have pity for you for.
Kung Fu is good for you.
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Hpw does Li support himself?
Those that are the most sucessful are also the biggest failures. The difference between them and the rest of the failures is they keep getting up over and over again, until they finally succeed.
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Not make money from Falun Gong practitioners.
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Juna, now you're just lying to save face for petes sake.
you posted the link to the booklet, and that's what's in it. Did you even read the thing? It's ridiculous and full of all sorts of hogwash.
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Im calling shenanigans on you.
Li was a farmer who subsisted barely on typical wages of chinese.
Now he's an expat living more than comfortably in new york.
so he doesn't amke any money off his scam? lol.
I think you are naive Juna and the only bad karma in here is yours for trying to spread this absolute crap around.
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Originally Posted by Juna
Not make money from Falun Gong practitioners.
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Ok, if he does not make money off of Faulin Gong, how *Does* he derive his income?
Those that are the most sucessful are also the biggest failures. The difference between them and the rest of the failures is they keep getting up over and over again, until they finally succeed.
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Mr. Li has written some books, do you think the author of a book should be paid?
But Mr. Li puts all his books on the websites, and every one can download the books freely.
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A few years back, I did a research paper on cults on the internet. It was after I no longer spent much time on the chung moo thing, and, though time consuming, it was very interesting.
Between the chung moo folk and the dianetics folk, and many other groups, in the last twenty years there sprouted these sort of post cult societies; the longer these societies had persisted the more they tended toward normalcy when lacking a central authority, and the more resistant to a central authority. Anyway, not directly related, so I'll get to my point.
Between the dianetics folk I spoke with and the chung moo, there was a common theme. True believers would post against detractors, get embroiled into arguments they weren't prepared to follow, and stop posting.
Actual officers of the cult organizations, who tended to be people who believed in the authority of their position even more than the so-called benefits of their organization, often took responsibility to play PR for the cult online, would smear detractors, used arguments based on platitudes to superiority and presumed mental weakness of any detractors, and language that was whatever cult speak their flock would understand.
Since these officers tend to be forced(by coercion or compulsion) to post long term, they learn to dodge argument, because they are ill equiped to counter it.
Eventually, they realize their refusal to actually speak with others comes off poorly, so they are forced to change handles a lot.
Anyway, this was based on thirty conversations with people, all of whom posted online in support of their organization before leaving it. Without exception, those who held responsibility within their respective cult posted like I described above. Those with enough authority forced the job on an underling, or succesfully argued that the task was a waste of time. All the rest actually communicated, experienced frustration with logical inconsistencies in their own beliefs, and quit posting, in almost every case leaving the cult some time later.
Aside from differences in respective cult-speak, the overall experience appeared to be similar. It should be noted that I'm not tying quitting these cults to posting online: obviously, those I spoke with were not random, but a group of people who posted and who quit, so I am not suggesting that the internet is a magic cure all.
So remember, whenever you argue with a cultist, you may not actually be arguing with a true believer. The best way for their handlers to beat you is to simply goad you into a frenzy that their flock will percieve as weak. The best way to beat them is to remain fallible, but consistantly less fallible than their handlers. This is not difficult.
As for the cultists paying the karmic toll for the cult leader, not the case. Ultimately, the cult leader grows old, and the difference between his or her claims and the reality of it grow with their age. This disparity guarantees that the cult leader can not appear fallible, and so they must compartmentalize their existence, controlling who sees what, and who sees the cult leader himself. Limiting contact to only those who are most faithful DESPITE the differences between the claims and the reality, the cult leader becomes dependent on two types of people, the fanatics and the ruthlessly power hungry, to be his interface between himself and his flock.
From there, if he simply has them run everything, he risks losing power to them. So now, he must pit them against one another any way possible, while placating those who simply want power or money who are too sly to trick. He'll probably use their rank to achieve control. This means, within the organization, his only contact are those who he lies to and those who lie to him, until it is unlikely there is a clear difference between the two groups for the leader.
Among his family, the cult leader has the same problem. They will have been raised and included in the cult mythology, but will have seen far more of the real human conduct of the so-called divine leader. Respect will not be a commonality in such an environment. Add to that having a narcissist for a father, and one can see the problem.
In a cult, as in Dante's hell, the being with the least chance of escape and the most wretched existence is the leader.
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Mr. Li has written some books, do you think the author of a book should be paid?
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I dont see why not.
But Mr. Li puts all his books on the websites, and every one can download the books freely.
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Umm Ok, that is really nice of him.
Now, back to my question, how does Li sustain himself? What, or how does he draw income to afford his place of living, Heat, electricity. What about food? all these things cost money. How does he pay for the nescessities of life?
Those that are the most sucessful are also the biggest failures. The difference between them and the rest of the failures is they keep getting up over and over again, until they finally succeed.
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