paulie zink and the tai shing pek kwar family conflict

[GARRA DE TIGRE]

i'd haven't no idea about the conflict between paulie zink , michael matsuda and the original tai shing pek kwar family branch in hong kong . i'v read about this in www.chinesekungfuonline.com/english .
but this facts show by original tai shing pek kwar lineage don't stoped the career of paulie zink , who have a place in the american kung fu multimedia comunity .
i don't want start a conflictive topic with this . i only want hear new points of view about this matter .

[Doug]

Quite plainly, the controversy (at least at the time) was that Zink made claims in his version of the monkey kung fu family tree that conflicted with the original branch (Monkey King's as he is known more popularly). In addition, the claim was made that he used pictures from the original branch's collection that he did not have permission for.
While I try to stay objective on this matter, I find it difficult because Zink and company never returned any e-mail I sent that inquired about this. In fact, it was later that any contact information on his web site was removed. Someone who tries to appear honest and respectful probably would not try to hide, and this appears to be the case. There are other points that could be made, but these are the basics.

Sorry that this is a year late.

Doug M

[David Jamieson]

i'd haven't no idea about the conflict between paulie zink , michael matsuda and the original tai shing pek kwar family branch in hong kong . i'v read about this in www.chinesekungfuonline.com/english ..

Now you know.

but this facts show by original tai shing pek kwar lineage don't stoped the career of paulie zink , who have a place in the american kung fu multimedia comunity ..

That is a curious thing isn't it?

i don't want start a conflictive topic with this . i only want hear new points of view about this matter .

I don't really have a point of view. Not being a student or comrade of either monkeys. I do like monkeys though, don't get me wrong, monkeys are cool.

[Doug]

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but this facts show by original tai shing pek kwar lineage don't stoped the career of paulie zink , who have a place in the american kung fu multimedia comunity ..
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That is a curious thing isn't it?

Well, not really if you understand the way it happened in the first place. Zink made his claim to fame before the authentic school arrived in Canada. Much had been done at that time. Since there seems no easy way to contact Zink and crew because no contact exists online, one would need to find him. And given that capitalism promotes all sorts of people, including those who steal, there is a market for those interested in the unusual and mysterious. Monkey kung fu was such a mystery the, and it was available through Zink to the U.S. So his success may seem curious or strange, but adding up the progression of events shows that the strange is probable. Depending on who you choose to believe, the probable is either the result of popularity and success or the result of theft and misrepresentation.

Did I fail to mention that, after responding on his web site to claims made against his monkey style, Zink chose not to include contact information? Before the online response, one could contact him by e-mail.

Doug M

[Starchaser107]

just out of curiousity ..why is this posted in the southern board ? , monkey kung fu is northern.
anyway
http://www.martialinfo.com/websites/...gfu/monkey.htm

this has a chart of paulie zinks lineage, and on the left hand side you will notice that there is reference to gm chan sau chung.
I suppose this implies that they learned from seperate teachers...
I honestly don't know what to make of this situation.

[iron_silk]

...looking at the site Paulie Zink's instructor was allegedly Cho Chat Ling. Why doesn't someone contact him to clear things up then?

[Doug]

Originally posted by iron_silk
...looking at the site Paulie Zink's instructor was allegedly Cho Chat Ling. Why doesn't someone contact him to clear things up then?

That is the problem. Cho Chat Ling is not part of the authentic Tai Shing Pek Qwar lineage. Those who I talked to (sorry, but please do not ask me who) do not know who he is. From this is the confusion over why Zink claims to be a bearer of monkey kung fu. I have wondered if there is more to "not knowing him" than I was told, but the issue also goes beyond Ling. From using material without perrmission to misrepresenting the art, there are other things involved.

And I have tried to contact Zink numerous times before, and I received no replies.

Doug M

[iron_silk]

Yeah he obviously ripped off stuff and questionable kung fu moves but I was wondering if any body tried to contact Cho Chat Ling and find out his background etc...or did Paulie Zink just got a pic of a guy and made up a Chinese "like" name?

[Doug]

Who knows? He possibly could have met Cho Chat Ling, and this person may have taught him all this stuff. However, from the perspective of the standard bearers of authentic (meaning from Hong Kong) Tai Shing Pek Qwar, this person is not part of their family tree. Zink is also not there.

And no one knows Zink's perspective (other than that silly Q&A session on his web site) because he does not leave any contact information around.

Doug M

[Doug]

Funny enough, here is Zink with porn star Asia Carrera on a set (don't worry--nothing "porny" here):

[Hermes3X]

so who then exactly is the authentic lineage holder of tai shing pek kwar in the United States?

[phantom]

You guys do make a strong case against Zink. However, the guy has won some championships at kung fu tournaments. So if his stuff is not real monkey kung fu, then why didn't the judges at these tournaments notice it? As for tai shing pek kwar in the United States, I belive Sifu Chan Tai-shan used to teach it in New York, but he is no longer teaching. I believe one of his students, I think his name is Gus Kapros, teaches it in New York, but I believe he makes you master Lama Kung fu and Choy lif fut first, but I am not totally 100% sure about that, so please do not quote me on it. Peace.

[PalmStriker]

You guys do make a strong case against Zink. However, the guy has won some championships at kung fu tournaments. So if his stuff is not real monkey kung fu, then why didn't the judges at these tournaments notice it? As for tai shing pek kwar in the United States, I belive Sifu Chan Tai-shan used to teach it in New York, but he is no longer teaching. I believe one of his students, I think his name is Gus Kapros, teaches it in New York, but I believe he makes you master Lama Kung fu and Choy lif fut first, but I am not totally 100% sure about that, so please do not quote me on it. Peace.

KwoonShu means anything goes. Making stuff up is entertainment friendly.

[LaterthanNever]

"Chan Sau Chung started the ****ing contest. So why would Paulie Zink need to clear the air or bury a hatchet? Zink never took up a hatchet."

Fair enough..and I stand corrected. I guess what I don't get is..why doesn't Zink himself(if he's legit that is) write a statement supporting his lineage to the effect of "hey..enough is enough"(or similar statement)


"I cannot remember Zink saying one thing in print to disparage Chan."

Commendable.


"It is possible, I think likely, that Zink studied with someone who trained in TSPK from Hong Kong as Matsuda stated on his website. My guess is that the person trained in TSPK in Hong Kong, or claimed to train in TSPK in Hong Kong. Zink may be been duped himself by this individual. Perhaps that is why he never publically fought back against Chan's statements. "

Also makes sense.

Whether Zink and Matsuda know the Taishing curriculum of TSPK we will never know."

Here's the thing..you are correct in that anyone can be duped..but wouldn't someone of intelligence after a while say "I'm suspcicious..something aint right here"? You'd think that he might even approach GM Chan and say "I think I'm being duped. I'd like to study the real monkey style with you. Would you accept me as your student please?"

I guess I'm an idealist..oh the shame of it


"I do not believe we can take Chan's word for it since he has a vested interest in being known as "the Monkey King" and being the sole inheritor of the system. And since we know of only two other persons to have learned all five monkey forms from Chan, his son and Chow Keung, we have nothing with which to compare Zink and Matsuda's curriculum. "

Well if Zink feels dissed..why doesnt he or Matsuda offer a syllabus to publish then?

"If Chan was not the only student to have learned all five monkey forms from Gan, perhaps others may have taught the forms to their students. One of these students may have been Cho Chat Ling."

See above

"I realize that all the above is mere speculation. But it is another possibility."

Yes..and I am not taking sides..but I do wonder why after just about everyone taking a swipe at Zink..why he doesn't assert himself already?

[lkfmdc]

Don't let the fact that Zink and Matusda copied pictures out of Chan's book without crediting him, created a fake person and tried to pass autofelatio off as Dai Sing Pek Gwa bother you... nah, Zink is innocent