Yeah. The old "Lifting weights will hamper your internal development" and "time spent lifting is time spent away from practicing MA" arguments. I really wanted to give the stuff a chance, so I threw myself in 120%. I practiced for a couple hours in the morning and couple at night. I ended up a lot more flaxible, especially in the hips, but everything else was rediculous compared to where it was before.Ford - Why did you give up the western stuff? Were you told that PBN's bagua methods would give you all the muscular, CV, etc work you needed?