Taekwondo and Southern Styled Kungfu

[David Jamieson]

mook jong is not for sparring.

it has different reason for being trained with.

but it does help to focus on the centreline which is important to the wing chun style.

[tnwingtsun]

I've never met a wooden man that I didn't like.

[Joker]

Ego,

As per usual you seem to judge without knowing the full story!! I do not remember telling anyone that I practiced Wing Chun (Ving Tsun) or even if I inferred this! You stuffed up again!!! Have you not heard the saying thast if you ASSUME anything it will make as A$$ out of you and me both!!!!

Wing Chun is a vey effective style if you have the right teacher as with any other style (North or South). If you work hard at training and understand the applications then you should have no problems putting thought into practice. You may want to readjust your attitude and think about putting your mind in gear before putting your mouth in action!!!

Avagood1

[Vash]

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[Ego_Extrodinaire]

Joker:

If you don't practice wing chun, then how can you say that it is an effective style unless your sorry butt has been hauled by enough wing chun practitioners for you to draw that conclusion.

Wing chun is a style that loses to boxing and next to useless in UFC. If one claims that it is effective for self defence than why should it lose to sports orientated martial arts? Wing chun cannot deal with the round punches or when someone buries down on to you. It is a sad limitation of that style.

Some people still maintain the belief that wing chun doesn't spar against wooden dummies, they must as well be doing so at least that may be more valuable than sparring with a person like yourself.

[David Jamieson]

ego-

please post a video of your encounter with a wing chun stylist.

Wing Chun, is likely the most widely practiced and most popular style of Kungfu practiced in the world. If that bothers you, maybe you should look inside yourself to find out why.

Are you a UFC entrant? I doubt it. In fact I doubt you've done any full contact fighting or even sparring in your short time on the planet and your mere few trips around the sun. It is shown in your posts again and again that you are ill informed about a great deal of things in regards to chinese martial arts. So perhaps you should train instead of picking here and there at websites.

UFC is only the measure of those who enter it. There are some terrific fighters in there to be sure, but how come they can't make it in the world boxing circles? what does that say about ufc? or nhb? Do they all suck compared to a trained boxer?

Think about what you say, before you say it and realize that some things are not the measure of all things but only the measure of themselves and their own sphere of influence.

You would think that after being rebuffed in your misperceptions time and again you would "get it" by now. Perhaps you are unable to learn from this. Too bad for you man.

cheers

[yu shan]

If there was a choice, tkd would be my first, a very simplified system. Nothing more nothing less, very limited! I love to hit these soft a$$ tkd guys, they no nothing of conditioning! I have no respect for tkd, a crap of a style, I`m speaking from experience. To me the easiest style to fight. PM me if you want to hook up.

[Ego_Extrodinaire]

Kung Lek,

I don't have video clips or pictures of my encounters with wing chun and other stylist. When I had been training kung fu, it never occurred to me as a big thing to go from school to school defeating the senior students and the masters. Then it occurred to me that they were from southern kung fu schools. The quality of the matches if you can call it was not that profound that needed to be documented on film. It was actually quite easy, their lack of footwork and over relaince on hand speed were their sown fall. I mean even Bruce Lee who is supposed to be a reputable fighter did not document many of his key contests on film. I'm not big on self promotion and would not post pictures of myself on the internet to show how good I am. I just know from my experience that southern kung fu is lousy and some people on this forum seem to have trouble taking that in.

UFC was beginning to be a growing sport at that time when I was stopped training kung fu. I hadn't a chance to go into those matches. I do have sparred against BJJ and kick boxers. I would say that in combination they're very good but norhern kung fu can hold its own aganist those styles. They (especially wrestlers) have tight footwork and body movement simimar to northern kung fu. I ahve seen 8 step mantis and tai chi faring quite well in UFC conditions. I have also seen wing chun getting smacked down - I always have a good laugh when that happens but at the same time feel sorry for the student who thought they were learning self defence.

I hope my posts on this forum is an education to you all. Think of me as your next Bruce Lee wihtout the acting.

[Vash]

The Hell? I mean, I considered myself a rather accomplished troll, a-hole, male chavunist pig-dog, and a general egotistical sumbich, but . . . d@mn. I am humbled.

At least my humble OMA will guide me . . .

[Vash]

Also, there is good, useful TKD out there. Worked out with this little fire plug of a man a few years back. I was 12, and a good 4" taller than him. Still, we did a few basic forms, then we sparred, did bagwork, sparred, did hella conditioning, sparred, the usual.

Course, he's the only good TKD I've seen.

[David Jamieson]

ego-

you simply do not kow what you are talking about. I woudl like to know more about this "experience" you claim to have. you say one thing but your posts declare your intent as other.



well, I'm stopping here, you are just some armchair critic clearly and have no kungfu background whatsever apparently. In fact, I would go so far as to say, you likely have 0 training in any style period. Because if you had even 1 days training, you probably wouldn't be chattering the bs that you are.

cheers

[Vash]

Kung Lek: Master Observationist

[blooming lotus]

Originally posted by Vash
Also, there is good, useful TKD out there. Worked out with this little fire plug of a man a few years back. I was 12, and a good 4" taller than him. Still, we did a few basic forms, then we sparred, did bagwork, sparred, did hella conditioning, sparred, the usual.

Course, he's the only good TKD I've seen.

I am loving tdk also for kicks (lol)

I dont practice for comps though, I just like it because I love to make my body work as well as l know how to make it, but on researching and training different styles you've gotta wonder when you have good dim mak knowledge and application ....

my problem now though, is not going straight for a death move, which facilitates the need to find styles to best protect those points ( which some branches dont even employ) but I guess it comes back to the objective of the fight). I guess this is why I chose not to fight. Really, who wants serious blood on their hands or to just disclose and by stepping down ALLOWING (PLS SEE KARMA) someone else to have blood on theirs?

and dont be shy because I know some othersof you feel the same.

[Ego_Extrodinaire]

blooming lotus

I agree with you that dim mak is deadly. However, it is impractical. This is because unlike a willing patient subjecting themselves to accupuncture, you are now dealing with a moving target. It's much harder to hit their death points.

Even if you do, you need to hit it with enough force as opposed to skimming a bit of skin with your finger nails. When that happens, your oppoent would just clobber you with a simple punch.

You may need to hit a series of points in quick successions. That may not be easy for the reasons described and when that fails you'll have to start all over again. Chances are by that time your opponent would have landed a series of punches on to you.

Some times you need to strike a set of points simultanously on different parts of their body - like a pianist covering the octaves on the key board, you may need to use both hands to attack- say their head and foot. Needless to say if you miss, this would leave you in a vulnerable position to be clobbered by simple punches big time.

Furthermore, dim mak is developed according to chinese time. It was not much of a problem when people who practice kf were all in china in the old days. However, for example - if you're say in India etc, you need to know what the local time translates to in chinese time so that you can attack the correct succession of points. It's not practical having to check your special watch everytime you're about to defend yourself.

Some times death points are closely adjacent to health points. The worse case is if you miss the death point and hit the health points for example a succession of points to cause death at 2.00pm may be A,C,D,A,E but at 2.00am the ame combo gives em unlimited life. real bummer if you get your time of day wrong. They would clobber you big time with very powerful punches.

The dimmak effects is also related to what the opponent has eaten, certain foods have chi giving properties, accordingly death points may in fact give em health points or vice versa. and of cause if that fails you'll be clobbered by simple punches

Accordingly the outcome of a dimmak attack is actually quite unpredictable and not that effective as a percentage strike. It's not surprising that few styles bother to develop counters for this type of attacks - except to clobber simmak specialist with simple punches.

[jon]

ROFL this thread is getting truely funny.

The worse case is if you miss the death point and hit the health points for example a succession of points to cause death at 2.00pm may be A,C,D,A,E but at 2.00am the ame combo gives em unlimited life.

(ego on the pro's and cons of death touch at various times of the day)

my problem now though, is not going straight for a death move,

(blooming lotus discussing why he cant fight)

well, I'm stopping here, you are just some armchair critic

( Kung Lek sticking it to ego... who is wheelchair bound - apparently)

To me the easiest style to fight. PM me if you want to hook up.

(yu shan proving he is an internet warrior)



This thread is priceless, a true goldmine