Ross vs. Abel

[phantom]

This fight will not prove the superiority of either approach, it will just prove the fighting ability of two people. Actually, it might not even prove that, as anyone can get caught on a bad day. I feel that it is a shame that two grown men feel that they need to fight each other to make themselves feel better. What makes it even worse is that they are both sifus, one of which is pretty well-known, both of whom have students who view them as role models. All this because they dislike each others training methods. What a shame. If sifu ross really does disapprove of traditional kung fu methods, then why does his site still claim that they teach tibetan and indian martial arts at his school? At any rate, I like both of these guys. I feel they have given both myself and others on here very good insight on various martial arts topics. I am just very saddened that they let things get under their skins so bad that they are so easily ready to resort to violence to solve their problems. I hope they see the error of their ways before one or both of them gets injured, in legal trouble, or both. I pray for you two. If you are not religious, that's cool, too. Peace.

[Shaolin-Do]

I know how to settle it. I will pay for them both to fly to texas. I will then build a gigantic stainless steel ring. We will fill the ring with vicious land pirahnas,(sp?)
I will then fight Abel and Ross 2vs1, with my feet tied to my hands and a blindfold made of barbed wire.
Thats the only way to know who is better of the 2.

[MonkeySlap Too]

Oh get over it. I've fought people I've disagreed with. Won and lost. Had good days and bad days. Don't feel the need to be an all-powerful 'sifu' hiding behind a moral cloud.

The first rule of self-defense is to be a good person. The second rule is to be able to back it up so you know if you negotiate peace, you are not just doing because you HAVE to.

The fight may not 'prove' anything to the moral relativists out there who can reduce any event into a pile of existential thought skimmings, but fighting can prove a few things.

1.) If one loses BADLY - he needs to look at his training.
2.) If it is close - there will be grudging respect - maybe even friendship.

Both are good results.

I'm not saying be a bully or cruel, but I am also saying if you claim to do martial arts - do it. Or stop pretending.

---SD - we ALL know that SD does not do real badmitton - it is just ping-pong mixed with tennis!

[Shaolin-Do]

You just fear my golden birdie.
Admit it!






I think all of our trolling has stupidified their argument back into nothingness... Aha!
Ha! Aha. haha. ha....
i think the spider bite on my leg belongs to a brown recluse. I hope he comes to take it back before it gets any larger.

[Chang Style Novice]

Results of the Sifu Abel vs. lkfmdc fight.

[Shaolin-Do]

Abel sure is lucky he spits water jets.

[lkfmdc]

Fu Pow, still trying to make up stuff and pass it off as "something I heard"? You're near Seattle aren't you? I actually have family there now, should be there in December. Care to cross hands and you can show me how wonderful you are?

[lkfmdc]

I would clearly prefer to be Mothra, not only is it more intelligent, but it also has two cute Japanese midgets that hang around with it

[Shaolin-Do]

HO Noh! Eets Mofra!
Save os Gamara, Save os!

[shaolin kungfu]

****, looks like i lost to SD

[Shaolin-Do]

"Giant Dragon that Stomps Around a Lot, Tunnels Underground, controls the Weather, drinks Human Blood, and has a single Horn on its Forehead."

With powers like that, none shall defeat me!
Especially at badmitton.

[SifuAbel]

If you guys were spinning things for Gray Davis he might still be govenor.

Its helpful to actually read the whole thread. Particularly the place were the "war" begins.

Lets see. ..........
I say:

"I'd like to know how your jow ga teacher would react to you saying in effect that his style is useless. And that goes for many other s here, *cough* ross *cough* cough* "

Just a question directed at st00 and in passing to ross since he's ignored this question many times. NOT a personal attack. He has attacked others for not viewing things his way. He has tried to put an artificial rift betwwen san shou and TCMA. I am just responding to those comments.


He says:

"Hey A-hole, I mean ABEL, I wonder if you'd have the f-in nerve to say crap to my FACE, probably NOT...."

If thats not a heads up I don't know what is. It IS a personal attack. So there is the challnge NOT made by me, but by him.

I say:

"Ross, glad you can make it., your face? anytime, remember boy, I don't punk out to your credentials ." ...and so on

I respond in agreement to say this in his face and to follow with action.

Its amazing how I've gone from a "point fighting clown" with no real background to one of the non tree hugging types that fight.

Then I get:
"Unlike you, I am an ADOPTED DISCIPLE of a famous, world respected sifu. Unlike you, I'm accepted by famous teachers around the world, many are friends of mine. Unlike you, I run a school in one of the major mecca's of martial arts, not a little obscure place no one has ever heard of."

In one fell swoop for daring to ask a question, my school, my teachers and I get roasted and defiled. So I'm supposed to just bend over and say "yes sir"? BS on that noise.

BTW, on the shaloin side alone I can trace to People Like Kenny Chin and Chan kwok Wei. So you aren't the only one with a famous lineage. Gus Rubio, my teacher, was just in Inside Kung fu last year. I'd say people have heard of us.


You guys don't like it, I don't care. Its not you and your entire martial family that has been gutted verbally, and for what?

I either get a verbal retraction for this now, Or I get to retract some of your teeth later. Choice is yours.

If this doesn't clarify things for all of you then nothing will. Please no "rubbernecking".

This thing is really about nothing else.

[Shaolin-Do]

"Its not you and your entire martial family that has been gutted verbally, and for what?"
Dude, can you not read my name?

And weve already gone over this before. Its not going to solve anything.
Have some flan. And a beer. Maybe a couple of poriquas.
mmmm...... Poriquas....
Poriqua morena, poriqua morena.

[SifuAbel]

Oh just SHUT UP!!

Would you please just shut........ up...........

Who the HELL cares. I may not like Shaolin do but I'm going to give it its space and respect its teachers.

[MasterKiller]

Its not going to solve anything.

Sometimes, action is not about solution, but about resolution.