Ross vs. Abel

**lkfmdc** · 10-08-2003, 02:03 PM

Isn't it wonderful that guys like brothernumber9 and Water Dragon can get it.... it's actually pretty simple isn't it? Yet others (they will remain nameless * cough * cough * Abel * cough * master killer * cough * pardon me....) get so upset and lose their minds

BTW Master Killer, not only have I not called anyone here a "f@gg t" it isn't even one of the words I'd use if I WANTED to.... so don't just make stuff up. I'm sure there are plenty of things I HAVE posted enough to make you angry

**Shaolin-Do** · 10-08-2003, 02:03 PM

"cause there's not a single tree-hugging hippie-wuss up here in washington state"
lofl.
For those who dont know, washington = tree hugging hippy capital of US.

Actually, from what I understand its quite a nice and open minded place to be.

**lkfmdc** · 10-08-2003, 02:05 PM

As Water Dragon (Official ***** *******) noted

- "The reality is quite simple, so called "traditional kung fu" people can't fight. They feel impotent, woefully incapable and worthless, thus they have to try and find excuses and cover their rear ends. Thus, when they look at REAL fighting, ie San Shou, they have to find ways to explain why they don't last 30 seconds...." -

The problem is, that's pretty much a true statement.

Of course, you immediately attack him too for saying the truth...

I might also note that some of you apparently can't seem to read the two words "so called"

Wonder what I meant there? HMMMMMMMMMMM?

**Water Dragon** · 10-08-2003, 02:05 PM

My opinion, is that:

single posture forms trained as repetetive drills are good, forms practiced in suitcase fashion are a waste of time.

Stance training is good if you know why you're training it.

Heavy bags are great, so are rockpoles, focus mits, belt cracking, Thai pads, Stone Locks, and many other toys.

Everyone should go play with a good boxer to honestky evakuate their own skill level

Thai Boxers have the hardest kick in the business

The Xing Yi guys best get off their @ss and do something if they don't want to be the next foo-foo art.

Results are better than excuses, but no where near as common

It is better to be effective in fighting than pure in style

If it works in fighting, learn it

Shuai Chiao may be one of the most effective training methods out there, but most CMA have the most inefficient methods I have ever seen.

**Shaolin-Do** · 10-08-2003, 02:08 PM

blah blah blah.
Blah.
blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Blah blah?
BLAH!
Blah.... blah?! blah blah blah.

**lkfmdc** · 10-08-2003, 02:09 PM

Be careful Water Dragon, you may become public enemy #2

I will never relinquish the #1 spot of course!

I 2nd, 3rd and 4th even everything he just said, I"ll even buy the man a FLAN

**fa_jing** · 10-08-2003, 02:10 PM

at varying times Ross has qualified it by saying "so-called 'traditional'", and at various times he has not qualified his use of the term. Actually I would go so far as to say that he uses the same term in multiple ways, depending on how he wants to spin things. All spins that he uses are leading to self-promotion. That is definitely a noticeable pattern. However, his straight-up writing such as the historical piece, the advice he gives on San Shou etc. are all much higher quality than we usually see around here.

**lkfmdc** · 10-08-2003, 02:14 PM

"However, his straight-up writing such as the historical piece, the advice he gives on San Shou etc. are all much higher quality than we usually see around here."

It's nice to know I'm loved

**fa_jing** · 10-08-2003, 02:16 PM

oh, just calling it like I see it, no expertise claimed here in writing or any other subject.

BTW, Monkeyslap Too is definitely a TMA. I've met him and took his seminar. Actually he is either a Traditional Mixed Martial Artist or a Mixed Traditional Martial Artist.

He knows how to make traditional styles work in full contact and on the street.

I'm sure Sifu Ross would agree that Sifu Joe is a "real" TMA, if he knows him.

**Shaolin-Do** · 10-08-2003, 02:18 PM

"However, his straight-up writing such as the historical piece, the advice he gives on San Shou etc. are all much higher quality than we usually see around here."

I will say that your articles demonstrate rhetorical and reasoning ability that the current argument does not.

In all honesty I found them a good read, well thoughtout and well researched.

**lkfmdc** · 10-08-2003, 02:19 PM

Shaolin Do writes;

"blah blah blah.
Blah."

I have to disagree.. blah blah blah blah blah

and on

"blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Blah blah?"

Perhaps, but BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAh, blah?

"BLAH!
Blah.... blah?! blah blah blah."

NOw you're just being silly....

**David Jamieson** · 10-08-2003, 02:22 PM

ho hum, this still going on?

for those detractors of the forum stating that this is a place for bashing and what not, well, the forum is what you make it.

You come in as a finger pointer or a whiner, then that is how you will be met and dealt with. Don't come here with a thin skin if you can't take what you are dishing.

You come in making claims about yoru own greatness, you can be assured you will be verbally knocked down a peg.

all this tongue fu is just a load imnso.

guys, just get it over with. You are otherwise just blowing bandwidth and it's getting oh so very tired.

And some of you ask why I delete all this nonsense? bwahahaha. This junk speaks for itself.

**lkfmdc** · 10-08-2003, 02:28 PM

Some people are too serious and can't take a joke, no offense indeed, but "Kung Lek" strikes me as one of those guys

just when this thread is actually amusing and entertaining, he has to be "moderator man"

**TIger Hand** · 10-08-2003, 02:33 PM

C'mon already
, just fight him and get it over with.

**CaptinPickAxe** · 10-08-2003, 02:37 PM

yes, enough sh!t has been talked. The forum is filled with it AND IT STINKS! So, quit giving excuses and start preparing to defend what you both have said on this forum.

Besides, I'm itching to watch the video of it

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