My friend got jumped pretty bad

[Life long Student]

Coward? I don't think so, Freezing is something you can unlearn it is a reaction like any. A coward is someone who refuse to fight out of absolute selfish reasons. I would bet if you had the chance to save a child's life you would. But thinking you are a coward might make you do something stupid to prove to your self you aren't. Fear never leaves it changes especially if you start to think of altercations in a more strategic manner than emotional. In your group fight it was a shock, and no one was hitting you. I at one point though I was a coward, so I started to hang around street fighters. I also became a bouncer and body guard to learn and to find out if I was. What you discover is Fighting sucks and there are some relay bad guys out there that would loose an eye or go to jail to win a fight. Fear is a warning like spider man as spidy sense, it lets you rev up. My advise be careful, I personally know of several men who are permanently injured from a friendly street fight. I also know of a bouncer in jail for killing someone, he hit the guy and the guy fell on a curb. I luckily survived my first bouncing fight, I was squared off with two guys at the end of a simple escort out of a club. After a few hits and a little dancing in a parking lot. The police came, when they searched the two guys one had a knife (out of the sheath) in his pocket, the other a screw driver. They later admitted to me they were trying to get close enough to stick me. I never took any fight lightly after that.

Any one who thinks fighting at the drop of the hat is OK is a Jack A**. By the way after your friend who threw the bear gets out of the hospital, get him alone and beat his A** and put him back in he needs it.

[8gates]

Hammer:

Well there is some feedback for you. How did it taste? Not as sweet as what the other cream puff's are slinging you, I know. The truth isn't always pretty, or sweet. The truth can be ugly, and I hope in your case painful, and I hope like hell it hurts. What goes around, comes around. Here's hoping you get yours soon.

Cheers.

LOL, I could see Hammer trying to act all tough, then getting held by 3 guys, and kicked around by the other guys.

No worries "Yung Apprentice", the reason you froze, is because you didn't expect a fight to be happening with your friends.
I don't care who you are, sometimes you can't be "full on" aware, at every possible moment..

[Yung Apprentice]

Thank you 8gates and life long student

[Hammer]

COWARD. noun

cow·ard :

One who shows ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

Think he isn't a coward? Think again. The only thing missing from the definition is a picture of you, Yung Apprentice.

[T'ai Ji Monkey]

Merriam-Webster I think has the better one:

Main Entry: cow·ard
Pronunciation: 'kau(-&)rd
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French coart, from coe tail, from Latin cauda
Date: 13th century
: one who shows disgraceful fear or timidity
- coward adjective
(Emphasis is mine)

Rolling into a ball during a confronation and starting to sob for your mommy or running away with a load in your pants is "cowardly", refusing to fight someone else fight is not.

Anybody that doesn't have any fear in the face of danger is either a fool or soon to be dead.
Fear is that little voice that keeps you alive in extreme situations.

My definition of Heroism is a follows:
"You actions cannot be heroic if you know that your actions will not result in danger to yourself and/or others, or if you don't know that your actions will endanger yourself and/or others."

[Life long Student]

Main Entry: cow·ard
Pronunciation: 'kau(-&)rd
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French coart, from coe tail, from Latin cauda
Date: 13th century
: one who shows disgraceful fear or timidity
- coward adjective

Hey, you want to split hairs, your real implication is that he is less than. The reality, by him even admitting he is thinking about this show that he is a man. You on the other hand are showing your lack of compassion and it sounds like some sort of Napoleon complex. " I see fight I must fight also." Sounds like fear that your friends might not like you if your don't jump in. Having any real skill or half a brain tells should allow you to be who you really are. Lay off the guy you are sounding like nothing but a bully. Or for that a thug with gang mentality. Great example, I hope you never have students until you learn more about people.

[Hammer]

Feel free to mix in an English class with your other studies. Man, attempting to read your incoherent rambling was painful.

[Hammer]

"Rolling into a ball during a confronation and starting to sob for your mommy or running away with a load in your pants is "cowardly", refusing to fight someone else fight is not." I am sure you are personally familiar with all of these scenarios.

I really like your quote, "refusing to fight someone else fight is not"(cowardly). Hmmm...I see. So, lets say you witness a woman getting verbally assaulted, and being physically roughed up by a man. What would you do? Walk past, and ignore it, after all it is, "someone elses fight", right? After all, she probably had it coming to her.

Same scenario, this time it is two guys picking on a friend of yours. What do you do? Walk past, and act like you don't know him? Maybe you convince yourself later that he was ,"just an acquaintance", and was, "getting what he deserved"?

Wouldn't you hope, if your sister was the woman given the first scenario, that someone would have the COURAGE to do the right thing and help her out? I sure would. Wouldn't you? Or, maybe, after she got a good beating, a witness to it all could explain to you that it was, "someone elses fight", besides that she probably had it coming to her. Would you nod your head in agreement that he did the right thing?

What kind of upside down world do you people live in?! Since when do you have to be best friends, or family, to help someone out who is in a bad situation? Would you do nothing for people you don't personally know? That is just sick.

A quote you will enjoy:

"I would rather be a coward than brave because people hurt you when you are brave."
E. M. Forster (1879 - 1970)

Make it your Mantra.

[T'ai Ji Monkey]

Hammer.

Go and play super-hero protecting other people and fighting their fights for them.
I will sent some flowers to your funeral.


Playing "What if .." scenarios is NOT going to win you this debate nor any other.
But since you like them so much.
"What if you step in and get stabbed from behind by an unseen attacker"

"What if you step in and only than see the other 6 members of the gang lurking in the background holding clubs, motorbikes chains, etc."

"What if you step in to protect the girl and she turns on you for interfering?"

"What if you ALL get arrested and the others have witnesses that swear that YOU started the trouble?"

You see "What if ..." scenarios or for arm-chair warriors that have never been close to a real fight.

The real world and fights are NOT clear-cut and you will find yourself VERY fast in a heap of problems.

In a true street altercation your MA training might amount to nil, nada, zilch, zip, because you might not have what it takes to survive or simply because the odds are against you.

One bit of advise of 1 vs xx attackers:
"They only have to get lucky once, you have to be lucky all the time."

Seeya, and remember to let me know when to send the flowers.

[Hammer]

"What if you step in and get stabbed from behind by an unseen attacker"

I bleed. Feel intense pain. Require hospitilazation, I may die.

"What if you step in and only than see the other 6 members of the gang lurking in the background holding clubs, motorbikes chains, etc."

Man, my vision must really suck. First, I don't see the guy with the knife, now this!! And I usually have a VERY good sense of what is going on around me. By the way, what kind of neighborhood is this? Do you live, or walk in, neighborhoods with this kind of garbage? I don't. But, to answer your "realistic" scenario; I'd probably suffer a severe beating, serious injuries, hospitilization, and possible death.

"What if you step in to protect the girl and she turns on you for interfering?"

I would laugh, throw my hands in the air, and walk away.

"What if you ALL get arrested and the others have witnesses that swear that YOU started the trouble?"

I have been arrested before. It's not as terrifying as you think, punk. Wait, for someone like you it would be, a chicken$hit pacifist like yourself wouldn't do well in jail. To answer your question; I would go to jail, be bailed out on my own recognizance within a few hours, and have my day in court.

Now, why don't you answer my much more realistic questions? I guess my questions are "what-if" to someone who has never encountered them. To me they are representative of situations I have been in- more than once.

Since I only asked two questions, and you've asked me three, allow me to add a third:

A small girl, of 11 years age, is being accosted by a male in his 20's and forcibly dragged into a car. She is yelling for help. What do you do? Ignore it? It is not your fight, RIGHT? After all, he may be a gang member, have a gun, a knife, or maybe there are 6 others, " lurking in the background holding clubs". Heck, you might get hurt, or even KILLED!! Do the smart thing, the safe thing, and ignore it. As sad as it is, I'm sure you would.

"I will sent some flowers to your funeral."

I think you would "send" them. You seem to have an irrational fear, or even dread of dying. I do not share your fear. We all are going to die. Death is fair, it comes to us all. I am not afraid of it. Does this mean I take stupid risks with my life? Of course not. I take good care of myself, and am cautious not to take foolish risks with my health. I do not, however, kid myself that this life will continue forever- nor would I want it to. It is the manner in which we live that will matter. Remember, "A coward dies a thousand deaths, a hero dies but one". I know, you would rather be a live c0cksucker than a dead hero, right?! I am not amongst the group of people like yourself who tip-toe through life to make it safely to the grave. Go ahead, send flowers to my funeral, just don't show up for it. As for your funeral, they will be able to hold it in a phone booth.

"...the safest course is to do nothing against one's conscience. With this secret, we can enjoy life and have no fear from death."
Voltaire

"Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life."
Bertolt Brecht

Okay, I've answered your asinine questions. Answer mine. If you don't, we all know what you would do. We all know what you are.

[T'ai Ji Monkey]

Hammer.

You make me laugh, you must be the poster boy for the VTG-Group.


Keep dreaming and playing your little "What if ..." scenarios.
I might suggest a visit to the ER on a friday night after payday to get a reality check for you.

What you say is 100% opposite to the experts out there and these guys talk from REAL experiences and not some wet-dream fantasies about how tough they are.
Or how heroic it is to die saving someone.

You gave so many glues away that you are a VTG and not talking from experience that it is laughable, every 13yr old can see through your talk to the real person.

Have fun. Thanks, for playing sorry "Game Over" for you no replays in real life.

[chingei]

Wow. You really are a coward.

[Yung Apprentice]

It's funny, from the very first post, I said these guys were my "AQUAINTANCES". I don't think Hammer knows what this word means. He says I try to convince myself that they are aquaintances, but from the get go I said they were. I see these guys only on special occasions, like parties and such. I don't hang out with them everyday, like I usually do with my REAL friends. I see these guys probably once every month or two. And everytime there is a party, they get drunk ALL the time, and start stuff. (sometimes with us even, thats what alcohol can do to people)

Many of our friends refuse to hang out with them, when they get drunk, and when me and my friend went to go meet them that night, we didn't know they were drunk, just from talking to them on the phone.

They started this mess, they started this mess knowing the odds they had, they started it before I even got there. They had the chance to shut up and walk away, but they didn't.

In the area where we were at, there was literally hundreds of people. So yes, someone could have easily came up and stabbed us or done something to us, becuase there were a lot of people in the area, and it was confusing.

Hammer, aked me once something about being in a gang. No I am not, but I do live in a bad area of town, and I happen to see, or be in a lot of crazy things that happen.

[Hammer]

"It's funny, from the very first post, I said these guys were my "AQUAINTANCES"".

I see you were able to edit your postings, changing the word "friend(s)", to the less intimate "AQUAINTANCES".

If this is true, why is the thread titled, "My friend got jumped pretty bad"? Ahhh...you weren't able to change that were you? The fact that you tried to cover your tracks, and change your story, does not change the truth that you are a COWARD.

T'ai Ji Monkey-

What the hell is VTG?! I'm sure it is some sort of code that you and your Star Trek buddies understand, but I don't. Do these three letters have some significance for you and your Trekkie pals when you get together on Saturday night to play a game of stink finger? Never mind, I don't want to know, punk.

[T'ai Ji Monkey]

Originally posted by Hammer
T'ai Ji Monkey-

What the hell is VTG?! I'm sure it is some sort of code that you and your Star Trek buddies understand, but I don't. Do these three letters have some significance for you and your Trekkie pals when you get together on Saturday night to play a game of stink finger? Never mind, I don't want to know, punk.

Yup, some of us had an educatiom, sorry, forgot you are still busy getting yours.


Virtual Tough Guy

Field Guide to Trolls (see Agenda Troll and other subspecies)

Maybe Chingei should also read that one.


"He who lives by the Sword, gets shot by the one who doesn't."
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