Originally posted by Kungfuren
Ok... how is this:
<<Clove cigarettes are generally unfiltered and usually contain 30 - 40 percent of cloves and 60 - 70 percent of tobacco. In addition, the type of tobacco used in clove cigarettes has approximately twice as much tar, nicotine, and carbon monoxide as the tobacco in ordinary cigarettes. >>
So, twice as much of the harmful substances in cigarettes. So smoking one or two clove cigarettes a week would be as harmful as smoking two to four regular cigarettes per week. Since the original question was a comparison between smoking one or two cloves per week and several regular cigarettes PER DAY, I maintain that of the two options, the cloves was the healthier one. That's just math.
Further, the sue of a clove cigarette has been shown to cause hemoptsys in kids who use it, which is a condition in which one coughs up blood streaked phlegm...
So has the use of normal cigarettes. Unless you have comparison statistics suggesting that the rate is significantly higher for cloves, this is irrelevant when comparing the two.
<<Herbal cigarettes are sometimes posed as a 'safe' alternative to smoking. Some may even claim healthy properties, and are sold in health food shops. However some varieties, particularly brands of Chinese origin, are blended with tobacco, these apparently having tar levels varying between 11 and 15 milligrams and nicotine levels of around 1.5 milligrams.(178) This places them at the uppermost levels of tar and nicotine content set by federal government regulations for tobacco cigarettes manufactured in Australia. Brands which contain no nicotine nevertheless have similar levels of tar and particulate matter to tobacco cigarettes, suggesting that they too are harmful to health.(179)>>
This information isn't even about clove cigarettes, and thus is completely irrelevant.
note: nicotine is so toxic that a drop of pure nicotine, spilled on your skin will penetrate the dermal layers, enter the blood stream and stop the heart. In the US, typically such chemicals require an MSDS
Again, completely irrelevant. No one is disputing that nicotine is bad, or that clove cigarettes contain it.
Pursuant to the standards of normal scientific and engineering practice, my summary report would indicate, based on the aforementioned studies, that "clove" cigarettes are more dangerous than traditional tobacco cigarettes, even after one use.
I never said otherwise. I stated that they were more unhealthy than regular cigarettes, in fact. However, they are not SO MUCH MORE unhealthy that one or two clove cigarettes a week is more unhealthy than several normal cigarettes PER DAY, which is what the original poster asked.
Nothing you have posted has demonstrated this assertion (which I made based on the facts and figures of relative levels of tar and nicotine) to be false.
Now dear sir, you asked me where were you rude? Your comment that << Those of us who have access to actual figures have also said that the difference is sufficiently minor that one or two cloves a week is obviously less harmful than one or two regular cigarettes a day.>> was quite rude and an inference that I had no idea about which I was talking.
I completely fail to see what was rude about that statement, but whatever.
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