Got short power?

[Ray Pina]

Curious as to how many styles here train it as part of a core requirement.

E-Chuan focuses on power from contact, being able to generate a strike if the palm is already resting on the target. We have a few ways of training this. At first it's finding the mechanics to do it utilizing a domino affect from the upper back/shoulder down the elbow and finally into the palm. Later the whole body, and some internal dynamics with the rib cage area go into it.

[Oso]

yep

we start with bigger motions/circles
swinging arm exercises utilizing waist movement to propel the arms
this is refined into actual striking movements and the movement gets smaller and smaller over time.

[Water Dragon]

Yup. It's a 'trademark' of our school.

[norther practitioner]

Yup. It's a 'trademark' of our school.

Yeah, but you're hitting with the ground...lol

taiji seems to have a lot of this, but so far I've only used it to really open up some space.

[Ray Pina]

Big to small ... as in most things MA.

[Water Dragon]

Originally posted by norther practitioner
Yeah, but you're hitting with the ground...lol

taiji seems to have a lot of this, but so far I've only used it to really open up some space.

Well yeah, but I gotta GET the throw first don't I

[norther practitioner]

True...

In longfist also, our twist and strike, when in close, feals a lot like what you describe.... not quite the same, but still using the whole body, especially your core strength.

[Chang Style Novice]

Oh, some. I have the idea that this stuff works better, generally, for people with short limbs, and I'm a lanky SOB.

[Oso]

CSN, your short range/power strike is just longer than a shorter persons short range/power strike. Doesn't mean it isn't a short range/power strike or effective as such.

[David Jamieson]

short and long power are not about range

they are direct references to force applied over "time"

short power > power lasting for a short time

long power > power lasting for a long time

ranges, distances et al are a different thing.
1 step close , 1.5 step medium, 2 steps long 3 steps out of range time to close gap, make bridge and cross.

pretty simple stuff really.

root is key, stance is key to grounding. Physics dictates a lot of the principles of power generation and force.

actually a lot more simple when looked at with realism.
No mystical whodo voodoo about using force at all.

cheers

[Ray Pina]

Another way to understand its use is like this:

This of the arc your elbow travels when throwing an uppercut. The longer your elbow travels along that imaginary circle the more momentum it generates and power.

Try to shorten its path to were the elbow only has to mobe from the 6:00 o'clock position to the 7:00 o'clock position and get the momentum and weight from somewhere else.

I can rest my palm on an object and move the elbow from 6:00 to 6:30 without raising the palm from the object and still deliever a blow that will hurt. Good for the chin, neck, soft ribs, even the biceps when crossing arms and the chance to go all the way in hasn't presented itself. Good for ground figthing as well.

[crumble]

Sigh... Still laying the foundation.

Thanks for the description E-Fist. Any more details on how you train it? The stuff we're doing seems to be more rooted in the lower back and mid spine, but I'm still a relative newbie (2ys).

-crumble

[Merryprankster]

The longer your elbow travels along that imaginary circle the more momentum it generates and power.

This is completely unlike any uppercut I've ever heard of.

[David Jamieson]

force is force, no matter how you want to present it.

MxA=F (mass times acceleration equals force)

speed applied to mass creates force.

You can increase mass, you can increase speed. generally, you can't make your hands much bigger than they are, but you can use proper alignment and practice to increase the speed they travel and the force that is issued.

Strength development will allow you to issue long power that will in turn have more compression force applied to the object it is pushing.

cheers

[Golden Arms]

This is completely similar to the uppercut we use however. To each their own..I think that uppercut you know maybe different than the one we do MP because of possible differences in the way footwork is used between western boxing and some CMA. Possible?