I think Chandler's near Scottsdale
Bob Karmel’s Back Alley Gym -- Chandler
He used to have a website, but I can't find it anymore. Anyhow, he's been one of Chai Sirisute's guys since at least 1990 (he was training people at Center City Fitness* in Philadelphia).
*speaking of CC fitness, anyone know what happened to Stu Alston?
Wing Chun has lots of sayings. If sayings won fights, WC would rule the world (presumably by talking its opponents to death).
Empirical evidence strongly suggests this has yet to happen.
--anerlich