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    Why do kickboxers have such poor power generation?

    Really, it's very basic. Why not use more advanced forms of power generation?


    The real original laughing Louie.
    Last edited by rogue; 10-31-2003 at 07:04 PM.
    I quit after getting my first black belt because the school I was a part of was in the process of lowering their standards A painfully honest KC Elbows

    The crap that many schools do is not the crap I was taught or train in or teach.

    Dam nit... it made sense when it was running through my head.

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    Maybe you have seen an aerobic kickboxer or one who doesn't train competitively? I know two guys who are competitive at amateur level, although one has muay thai experience. The first time I held the heavy bag for him I woke up the next morning with a bruise all the way up both thighs. That was from the power of his kicks going through the everlast institutional/military grade heavy bag. He has trained with some top-notch guys in cali, but we are talking some serious power. But then I also know several "kickboxers" who couldnt kick their way out of a grocery bag with a hole in it. It all depends on how they train. An american kickboxer should have comparable power to an american boxer (generally less in my experience, but still comparable).
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    I know some practitioners of kickboxing who would be all to happy to demonstrate their kicking power on your ribs. you can wear padding if you like, less cuts for the funeral.

    Seriously, thats like saying boxers have no hook power or (good) TKD people can't kick.
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    Oh they may have some power but it's not refined or economical. It may have to do with the training kickboxers do.





    The real original laughing Louie.
    I quit after getting my first black belt because the school I was a part of was in the process of lowering their standards A painfully honest KC Elbows

    The crap that many schools do is not the crap I was taught or train in or teach.

    Dam nit... it made sense when it was running through my head.

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    Rogue, we're just holding back on you. If we unleashed the full power of our Qi, you'd be a smoking pile of ash and dogi making a stain on the carpet.

    It's for your own good.
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    So you doubt that qi could make power generation more refined and efficient?


    The real original laughing Louie.
    I quit after getting my first black belt because the school I was a part of was in the process of lowering their standards A painfully honest KC Elbows

    The crap that many schools do is not the crap I was taught or train in or teach.

    Dam nit... it made sense when it was running through my head.

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    The inherent problem with kickboxing is that it takes a small number of highly applicable techniques and then trains them to the point where they become easily accessable useable weapons.

    The other big problem being that the constant hitting of actual targets in pad form has the nasty ability to actualy over time increase the power of the practioner due to the instant feedback though the pad.

    Then when you add to this the fact that kickboxers spend a lot of there class time doing conditioning and strength training and its pretty easy to see why they hit like little fairys and are incapable of doing any *real* fighting....








    Nice troll Rogue but i love my kickboxing, it go's well with my chi blasts
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    Obviously Rouge has only been hit by Bruce from Tekken 2. If he had been hit by a living breathing Muay Thai fighter, he would be unable to type for a while.
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    Then when you add to this the fact that kickboxers spend a lot of there class time doing conditioning and strength training and its pretty easy to see why they hit like little fairys and are incapable of doing any *real* fighting....
    This is sad but indeed true.

    A kickboxing friend of mine once went to a very good karate club and just could not cut it at point sparring. Very humiliating for him.

    Every time he tried to score a point he totaly miss judged the range and actualy hit the guy! He had no ability to controle him self at all. You have to ask your self just what so called kick boxers think martial arts are all about.
    LOL.. really, what else did you hear?.. did you hear that he was voted Man of the Year by Kung-Fu Magizine?

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    Yeah, kickboxers suck at fighting.
    Just look at Crocop.
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    I don't think rogue knows wtf he's talking about lol.

    Every kickboxer I've met has pretty good power generation.
    Is it bad if it's not wrapped up in some mumbo jumbo esoteric package of myths and legends?

    Like" The celestial center draws power from the earth energies and it courses through the meridians where it pools and then is expelled through the weapons of attack, IE: your limbs"

    vs.

    "keep your feet flat, breath in before you strike, breath out when you strike and move through your opponent with your entire body weight".

    which one do you understand better?

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    Maybe you should delve deeper into your kung fu KL, then maybe you'll understand refined and efficient power generation.



    The real original laughing Louie.
    I quit after getting my first black belt because the school I was a part of was in the process of lowering their standards A painfully honest KC Elbows

    The crap that many schools do is not the crap I was taught or train in or teach.

    Dam nit... it made sense when it was running through my head.

    DM


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    Maybe if Kung Lek delved further into his kickboxing, he'd discover the true meaning of chi.

    All good boxing has chi, but not all lineages train it properly. That's why you don't see a whole lot of chi-blasting in kungfu.
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    Look, I'm not saying that kickboxers lack power, but the power that they have is very surface.

    The real original laughing Louie.
    I quit after getting my first black belt because the school I was a part of was in the process of lowering their standards A painfully honest KC Elbows

    The crap that many schools do is not the crap I was taught or train in or teach.

    Dam nit... it made sense when it was running through my head.

    DM


    People love Iron Crotch. They can't get enough Iron Crotch. We all ride the Iron Crotch for the exposure. Gene

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