Why do kickboxers have such poor power generation?

[jon]

Look, I'm not saying that kickboxers lack power, but the power that they have is very surface.

Sif Rouge hasnt hit the nail on the head.
The problem with kickboxers is there power is all physical and based purely on commen sence physics and body mechanics.
Never once do you see a kickboxer stand there looking vacant for five minutes trying to collect himself before letting out a splitting scream and attacking a piece of wood being held static by a student.

Its really obvious that no kickboxer has any real power, if they did they wouldnt compete they would simply meditate and tell others of the path to true enlightenment.



Liokault
Your friend was quite obviously poorly trained and had no idea of the true martial way of avoiding any and all hard physical contact!
He should go back in there and learn to play patty cake patty cake like all the normal martial artists.


Pfffft... Kickboxers!
They kick and they box... ohhhh im so scared!!!

[joedoe]

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[rogue]

Jon, are you mocking me? Are you trolling?

Its really obvious that no kickboxer has any real power, if they did they wouldnt compete they would simply meditate and tell others of the path to true enlightenment.

Jon, the very reason that they can compete is because of unrefined surface power. If they ever discovered or used refined power they'd be shut down by the state Athletic Commisions. Really, you can't play with this kind of thing.

The Real Original Laughing Louie.

[Ikken Hisatsu]

i am pretty sure rogue must be trolling with this one. no one is actually that stupid. I suppose you think boxing is for dolts as well, right? that even though its been around for centuries, they dont have enough chi in their strikes?

[rogue]

So I'm stupid? It takes a real genius to do a sport where the goal is to cause head trauma!

that even though its been around for centuries, they dont have enough chi in their strikes?

We also used to think the Earth was flat and that the Sun revolved around it. Once again it's not so much a total lack of power just a matter of unrefined inefficient power, which is also harmful to the fighter using it.

The Real Original Laughing Louie.

[CrippledAvenger]

Once again Rogue, you fail to understand how boxers have truly mastered Qi. The staredown itself is the perfection of neigung and empty force methods, as the fighters attempt to inflict horrific damage upon their opponents by simply focusing their intent. In fact, the only low-level thing I've ever seen a boxer or a kickboxer do is to ask someone else to tape up their hands, and this itself was only brought in at the beheast of the squimish, kung-fu run Athletic Commissons.

If we kickboxers and boxers were allowed to have our way, we'd fight bareknuckle and use our surplus Qi to prevent injuries to our hands and bodies. The fighter with the weakest Qi would simply perrish, but he or she would die a warrior, as our arts are made for combat and not the ring.

[jon]

Jon, the very reason that they can compete is because of unrefined surface power. If they ever discovered or used refined power they'd be shut down by the state Athletic Commisions. Really, you can't play with this kind of thing.

* Preach on brother....
Might I also add that as soon as a kickboxer where to understand 'real' power they would surely leave the competive circuit and abandon there life of fame and fortune to live in the mountains as a hermit eating berries and shrubs.

It is a well known fact that only hermits and monks have true power... its also a well known fact they they are the only legitmate system creators to be used in linage charts.

[rogue]

CA, why are you mocking me? Have you ever wondered what would happen if someone who actually knew about fighting at a higher level got into the ring? It would be horrific.

Might I also add that as soon as a kickboxer where to understand 'real' power they would surely leave the competive circuit and abandon there life of fame and fortune to live in the mountains as a hermit eating berries and shrubs.

Don't know about being a hermit Jon, but you're correct about the first part. With power comes responsibility. Welcome aboard!

[zen_monkey]

Rogue listen to these guys.

Just because boxers dont call it chi doesnt mean its not there. After all the mind leads the chi and true Jin is a result of this. KB's have Jin if you think its purely physical more fool you.

[Ray Pina]

Rogue, I understand what you are saying and agree but it's not politically correct.

Of course kick boxers have power and can generate power ... big power. The bigger the guy, even some huge power. And yes, let him kick you in the ribs and they may break. Get hit in the jaw and you may go down.

But getting big power from refined movements than can than be delivered again without reloading .... now that's big power delievered in a more technical way. Maybe a smaller guy using this technology can deliver the power of a larger man who does not. Maybe a larger man will find his power increasing by about 30% ... mine did (at least) when I switched to Hsing-I.

Not a popular statement, but that's what internal MA are about. Some coaches' solution: Kick harder! Punch faster!
Some other coaches' solution: If you _____ and _____, you'll hit much harder, you'll be striking from a position that doesn't require as much loading, thus making you faster.

Iteresting note: On Howard Stern today a retarted girl said she can bawl a 200+ something game. That beats me by far. Doesn't mean I want to be retarted. She's just one of the few who are very good at bawling.

[apoweyn]

Raise your hand if you don't realize that Rogue's being sarcastic.

[Ray Pina]

I don't know if he's being sarcastic or not, only read a few of his remarks due to busy work day.

I agree with you about this power being better than static, rev yourself up board breaking power.

I'm just trying to play devils advocate and suggest that I can use a hammer quite well. I can take it and drive a nail clean and true. I can also use brute force and slam in through a wall ... and you can say I have power and I do.

But you connot compare my swing with that of a veteran carpenter. He will swing smooth and allow the weight of the hammer to do the work. You may also ask, "Why don't you ever see him hanging pictures for $6 an hour or some such day-labor job." That is not his level. Of course he's been there, worked through it. But now his work is more subtle.

Folks also ask, "why haven't we seen this subtle power in comps?"

Well, how long ago have most here even heard of Hsing-I or Ba Gua? I would suggest its probbaly difficult for 85% of the board to even find qualified instruction in them. It takes time, but I believe there is a generation emerging right now that will bring this out and I believe it will invoke another martial revolution not unlike the Gracies.

Time will prove me right or wrong.

[yenhoi]

[yenhoi]

...and I believe there is a Kali generation that will be there to beat you senseless

...and if Time gets in our way, then we will kick his ass too.

[Meat Shake]

The Real Original Laughing Louie.

You are soooo right my friend.