What killed JKD?

[SevenStar]

If Bruce were around today, my guess would be that he'd be most impressed with mma or san shou, when it comes to the vision he had of JKD.

[Kristoffer]

he'd probably compete in UFC

[David Jamieson]

jkd gets a lot of it's bad reputation because so many half trained or untrained loogans claim it as their style.

quite a lot of them don't have a clue about basic fighting principles and you wind up with a cart load of idiots pushing a cart load of hog wash to people looking for real answers in their search for martial information and training.

i think this is partially Bruce Lee's own fault for assuming that people could just start up a martial art and be critical about what does or doesn't work.

In essence, I believe it was Bruce who was lacking some real insight into the true nature of humans inasmuch as we are lazy and we don't want to do the hard work.

Bruce gave all wannabe martial artists an out and a method to wallow in their own hubris.

He should've been telling them that it takes hard work and time to get good at martial arts instead of selling them fortune cookie garbage that he lifted from the classics and passed off on a non-the wiser western society as his "philosophy".

Having said that, their are some good martial artists who are at a level where tehy can actually put into play Bruce's advice. But there are more half arsed ijits out there talking trash about this and that cause they read the tao of jkd and a few other books and maybe hit a bag now and then.

Bruce was right about a lot of things, don't get me wrong here. But I don't think he was right about feeding uncooked steak to babies. Milk first, then meat.

cheers

[Royal Dragon]

Well said

[Liokault]

kung lek

quite a lot of them don't have a clue about basic fighting principles and you wind up with a cart load of idiots pushing a cart load of hog wash to people looking for real answers in their search for martial information and training.

Hmmmm! I am sure that I has been said about every type of martial art ever.

[yenhoi]

Bullsh it, Bruce Lee turned out good students.

Some of them have since gone and messed "it" up.

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[David Jamieson]

Bullsh it, Bruce Lee turned out good students.

name one student that Bruce "turned out" from no training to Bruce trained and is actually good.

The best jkd'ers kept their original traditional arts and picked up some concepts from Bruce. Bruce got as much from these guys as they got from him.

cheers

[Chinwoo-er]

Using Brucy's analogy of cup and water:

Teacher:
~Place an empty cup on the table~
"is this empty ?"

Student:
"Sure !"

Teacher:
"Not really"
~Takes cup away, leaving nothing~
"Thats empty"

Student:


Teacher:
"When one starts down the path of martial arts, we all begin with an empty cup. There is nothing in it. But that does not mean we are truely empty. We still have a cup but we are not really aware of it..
The knowledge we gain through we training and education is like water filling up the cup. We can see the water, no problem. It is only when we accumulate a certain amount of water can the water form the shape of the cup. And it is only then can we truely see that the cup exists. The fact that water itself does not take any shape naturally, the fact that it is taking shape now, as well as seeing the different shapes it can take by looking at other people's water can lead up to see by inference that the cup exists. When one day in the future, you are able shatter the cup can your water flow freely without limits. Capable of taking any shape. Be it a teapot or bottle"

Student


~END~

I think the the problem about JKD artists today is that most people is merely teaching with either an empty or half-filled cup.

[David Jamieson]

Chinwooer-

any student who fails to understand that metaphor is just simply an idiot.

the whole water metaphor in use with the idea of learning has been around for centuries and spans cultures and time. It is an obvious analogy afterall.

I am amazed by people who don't understand these simple analogies. They are used afterall to make it simple to understand.

However, filled, empty, whatever. What is important is applied principle, correct transmission of the principle and an explanation of how to apply it.

Openess to the lesson is a pre-req in any study. It takes longer to learn if you keep interupting the lesson. Questions are essential of course if you still don't fully understand.

cheers

[Chinwoo-er]

But Kung Lek.
One you start to use the term "principle" you are going back to cupped water knowledge !
Danger ! Danger !!



No worries, I understand what you are trying to say.
What I am just trying to display is the what the JKD people today are operating by.

[Chinwoo-er]

Actually, You will be surprised at how many people I know who didn't understand the analogy

[yenhoi]

Ted Wong.

[jimbob]

Kung Lek said

"The best jkd'ers kept their original traditional arts and picked up some concepts from Bruce. "

From what I have seen of many jkd practitioners, there is a great desire to experiment with and acquire techniques, but very little in the way of overall principles or philosophy through which to employ these techniques. It's almost like someone running around with an armful of clothes hangers (techniques) and no wardrobe to hang them up in (guiding philosophy).

I'd say this is why the "best" jkd'ers, as Kung Lek says, kept their original arts and added to them.

Just a thought.