Matrix Didn't Suck: REVOLUTIONS spoilers

[Kristoffer]

from the above link:

The Oracle then meets with Sati, Seraph, and the Architect in a park outside the city as the sun rises over it. The Architect tells her that she was playing a "very risky game", and she asks him if he will honor the promise of peace. He says that he will, since he is not human (meaning humans do not keep their promises, an insult). This means that those people who unconsciously become aware of the Matrix and choose to leave will be freed, and those living in Zion will not be killed. The war between man and machine is over, or at least suspended.

Looking upon the sunrise the Oracle asks Sati if that was her doing, and the girl responds that she did it for Neo (made the sun rise). Apparently Neo's experience with love, which was uploaded from him to the Source, caused the machines to show pity on Sati and give her a purpose instead of deleting her. She is now in control of the sun. Sati also asks the Oracle if they will ever see Neo again, and the Oracle replies that they might, indicating that the The One program will be used again in the future, as it had been for the previous six iterations of the Matrix. M3 therefore ends where M1 began, except that now the humans who become aware of the Matrix will be freed (a decent compromise if you ask me).

probebly correct

[Starchaser107]

some ppl refuse to believe neo is dead.
i believe he is dead as a week old $#!* pretty much.
somewhere rotting in the source god head bowels feeding robot babies his soilent green.

very heroic of him to save the world though..

I do believe that the "one" may return, neo reincarnated perhaps.

[Kristoffer]

yea, like the oracle downloading 'the one stuff' into another human if she has to

[SevenStar]

perhaps. Or, she could refer to their meeting later in "life"... if peace is forever attained, than "the one" program would be obsoleted. eventually, the oracle and sati would be obsoleted also, and they'd all dwell in the merovingian's realm.

speaking of merv, did anyone notice that mobil is an anagram for limbo? and basically, that's all that the train station serves as.

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by Design Sifu


The new Oricle was rather weak... if she was inhabiting a new body why was she still Afro-american?

Could be a standard oracle template.

I thought Seraph was pourly used.

Seraph's new purpose was to protect the oracle. I say new purpose, because I believe that originally, he was working with the merovingian - notice that in reloaded, seraph had the same bright glow that merv's orgasm cake had... In Revolutions, it's obvious that the two knew each other.


The Trainman:
At this point it's fairly obvious that the Merovingian is actually Hades greek lored of the dead... or in this case, lord of obsolete software, and the trainman is his Charon. That's fine but well, why introduce this charactor only for him to not be mentioned again... outside the video game of course.

To have him mentioned. It just shows some of the connection between the game and revolutions. However, that can lead to confusion - one of the main things I've heard from friends is "what did the oracle mean when she was explaining why she looks different?" - they don't know about rama...

Persephone looked GREAT

amen.

So the gold Fractals benieth the Green "matrix code" seemed to indicat that its this "source code" which connects human consciousness with Computer consciousness (IMO) and it's this source-code that allows neo access to Machine technology, the Matrix and that train station with-out being jacked-in." This was cool.

Or, neo himself could've been a machine... if the green was matrix code, then the orange was assembly language...

But what make's Seraph have that same source code? Is that what made him able to just "call-up" one of the ships and tell them "he's got a message from the Oricle?"

Is it hard to believe that he also could be a machine? However, since he doesn't have "the one" program loaded into him, he doesn't have neo's power.

[b]Meanwhile, outside the matrix suddenly all of these tertiary charactors are more prominant than the charactors we've followed thus far...[b/]

the scope is a little broader. Much of revolutions takes place outside of the matrix, naturally, new characters are introduced.

if this other captain is so suspicious of that guy BANE (who BTW did an excellent Sgant Smith) why leave him alone in the infermary. If this was Star Trek you KNOW mr. Worf would've been there!!!

The world as they knew it was coming to an end...Bane was probably one of the last things on his mind.

Okay so that whole chase scene with Niobe piloting might as well have been the Millennium Falcon flying through a half built Death Star 2.0. And of course The Sentinals vs. the Mec-suits might as well have been ALIENS but that's all forgivable.

yeah, but you gotta love dude's reaction: "holy Christ, I didn't know these things could move like that!"

However, that whole rough Military Leader challanges the niave boy-soldier to straigthen up or Else cliche was just a complete waste of screen time!!! What the hell did any of that have to do with this kid who amazingly pulled himself out of the matrix?

It was just an introduction to the boy who would help save the zion.

Then Lock's girlfriend making morter shells with... well, a mortar and pestle? Ludicrous.

agreed. What was Link's gf's name? I can't remember...

Now the whole DOOM of those sentinals invading Zion was great... and the last minute save by Morpheus and Niobe was... well predictable but OKAY. At this point though Morpheus is almost completely useless. Sure he's feeling insecure but Whay wasn't he asked for one of his speachs to rase moral?

the general had already given an awesome morale boosting speech. Morpheus really had no purpose in revolutions. He foung the one and convinced him that he was the one. there was really nothing more for him to do, except hope that he was right about neo being the one. That reminds me... how did morpheus find enough info about neo to make him believe that he was the one? did the oracle tell him neo was the one? nope. how did he get lead to neo?

Meanwhile Mr Smith (can't really call him an agent anymore eh?) is spreading through-out the whole matrix... that's cool. And he confronts the Oricle that's cool too... But Seraph proves to be vertually useless... if he's composed of "Source Code" you'd think he could put up some sort of worth while fight.

as stated, I think seraph is machine. that doesn't grant him any special power though. it's not unreasonable to think that the machines can jack into and out of the matrix as they please... seraph may have been one of them.

So Neo & Trinity head out to city 01... it would have been nice if they mentioned its name... "the machine city" just seemed lame... But much of this films dialogue was pretty lame.

what's in a name? besides, remember that many people have only seen the movies...

[b]Not surprising though as her charactor has desended to little more than a damsel in distress over the course of these past 2 sequels.[b]

love has a funny way of doing that.

Beautiful scene of the Sun . . .

definitely

Her anticlimatic death was also acceptable. It gave that sence of inevitabliity/futility to all of Neo's actions since he met the Architect... except of course his and trinity's sacrafice saved Zion... which was cool.

so... in the end, Neo realizes his union with Smith WAS inevitable. The Unification of Opposites was nice.

everything that begins must end...

With the exception of that super fast "between the rain drops" punch that final battle was rather clumsy. two fighters of equal skill and power, who know how one another fight - I'd expect as much.

[Kristoffer]

That reminds me... how did morpheus find enough info about neo to make him believe that he was the one? did the oracle tell him neo was the one? nope. how did he get lead to neo?

Hmmm good question. What we know is that the oracle told morpheus that he will find the one, therefor he ''spent his life looking for him''- like he told neo in m1. We also know what Smith stated in m1 when they captured neo. He's a pretty good hacker responsible of "virtually every computer crime there is"...
I guess if the machines can detect these hacks then the ppl outside matrix can also detect them. (looking at the matrix code)

[SevenStar]

good point.

[Kristoffer]

..young guys like me don't bother with making points...

[Souljah]

Hmmm good question. What we know is that the oracle told morpheus that he will find the one, therefor he ''spent his life looking for him''- like he told neo in m1. We also know what Smith stated in m1 when they captured neo. He's a pretty good hacker responsible of "virtually every computer crime there is"...

Wasnt one of the philosophical tie-ins they tried to make with the sort of Nietzsche-like Overman ideas - where everyone has the POTENTIAL to be "the one" though some may be further on the journey than others.

Just some of the things I thought might have been a possibility - Along with the mish mash of other philosophical Ideas that are thrown into the pot (Especially with the clash of morpheus and the Frenchman in the second - quite slick I thought)

-greg

[MasterKiller]

Meanwhile Mr Smith (can't really call him an agent anymore eh?) is spreading through-out the whole matrix... that's cool. And he confronts the Oricle that's cool too... But Seraph proves to be vertually useless... if he's composed of "Source Code" you'd think he could put up some sort of worth while fight.

I think you are supposed to assume that some programs have more power than others. The Gold code was reserved for the more "mystical" characters and experiences.

Seraph had beaten Agent Smith in the past, but this fight would have been futile. Besides, I think they just didn't want to show the little girl being "Smith'ed". Just like they won't show the Padawan younglings get massacred in Star Wars EP 3, even though Anakin takes a group of Clone Troopers into the Jedi temple to do just that.

I think the reference to seeing Neo again was the Oracle insinuating that Neo had transcended into a higher plane, and perhaps is still present in the Matrix, even though his physical body is dead.

[@PLUGO]

So... a friend of mine translated the Hindu chant used in the music of the closing credits of the film...

Lead us from the unreal to the real.
Lead us from the darkness to the light,
Lead us from the fear of death that we may understand the nature of immortality.

So it seems that Neo has become "One" with everything ...with-in the matirx and may manafest again as an individual as a situation may demand.

other interesting tid-bits:

Smith refers to the Oracle as "mom."

The French Man comments on how the eyes' of the Oracle can't be taken but only given.

So in essance the Oracle gives Mr. Smith her eyes and thus the power to ultimately defeat neo... or perhaps allow Neo to see the futility in maintaining a (ego driven) sence of individuality.

Smith did, in the end, use the Oracle's body to do batle with NEO.

I like the idea that what we see as a "hellish" machine city; red and smoky with bugs crawling all over. Neo sees as a shining city of light.

[Starchaser107]

i definately need to see that film again

[Kristoffer]

fack, already seen it twice, I wanna see it again too...... but I can't spend money on that now

[Kristoffer]

Asatoma Sadgamaya
Thamaso Maa Jyothir Gamaya
Mrithyor Maa Amrutham Gamaya
Aum Shanti Shanti Shantihi

Meaning: Lead me from the unreal to the real. Lead me from darkness to light. Lead me from death to immortality. May there be peace everywhere.

[Kristoffer]

ORACLES - The ancient Greeks felt a deep need for guidance in the problems of life, but unlike many believers in the modern world guided by the Bible, the Koran or other holy books of Eastern religions, the Greeks had no such sacred writings. Greek poets were often thought to be inspired by the Muses, but this did not make their poetry the work of the gods. Even their priests were of little help. Functioning to perform public worship, mostly by offering sacrifices to particular gods. Priests delivered no sermons and heard no confessions, at best they could decide questions of religious law--whether a certain act had made an inquirer impure and how he could be cleansed. At a number of temples throughout the Greek world had oracles to which an inquirer, whether it be a private individual or state, could address a questions and receive an answers. These answers were suppose to represent expressing the will of gods. Most, though not all, temples were dedicated to Apollo, whose cult had spread from Asia Minor to the metropolitan Greece.

Oracles played a crucial role throughout Greek history. Prominent Greeks made many important choices based upon advice of these oracles. Oracles were considered to be the words from gods and therefore indisputable, or unquestionable. The Greek historian Herodotus gave many examples of how oracles could and sometimes did affect Greeks, as did playwrights like Aeschylus, Sophocles and Homer (in his works the lliad and the Odyssey).

DEFINITION OF 'ORACLE': The age of the oracles dates from 700 B.C. through until approximately 300 A.D.The word oracle describes three things, the person (through which the god speaks), the actual temple or shrine of the god, the answer (given by the god through a prophet).

ORACLES & DIVINATION: Oracles are but one of several types of divination (art or science of interpreting symbols to be understood as messages from the gods, frequently based on phenomena of an unpredictable or trivial nature) and often required the interpretive expertise of trained specialist. Common types of divination in Greco-Roman worlds would include casting of lots, the flight behavior of birds, of sacrificial animals (and condition of their vital organs), various omens, sounds and dreams.

TYPES OF ORACLES: Usually associated with a sacred place (a public religious institution) or person (with special powers working for himself or someone). In Greek Mediterranean world three distinctive techniques were used at oracular shrines toward securing three kinds of oracles: lot oracles, incubation (dream) oracles, inspired oracles.

a) Lot Oracles: A process of random selection.

b) Incubation Oracles: Revelatory dreams sought in temples following required preliminary ritual (usually included a ritual bath and sacrificial offering) sought mostly in connection to healing. If the healing was successful only then fees would be paid.

c) Inspired Oracles: A person who acted as an intermediary of the god and responded to questions with oracular responses pronounced in that god's name (in the Greek world this was common with many of the local oracles of Apollo).

ORACULAR PLACES: Caves, springs, elevations, and those places struck by lightning (especially oak trees, symbol of Zeus, who had his oracle established at Dodona), places thought to enjoy a special sanctity.

COST OF CONSULTATIONS: Rarely would the inquirer receive the medium's utterance directly but would be allowed to listen while the question was put then after the medium had spoke: a priest would convey the official version of an answer, often in verse. Sacrifices often were made before one could be admitted to the oracle and sometimes before an answer was given by the medium, while in a trance and often times seemingly confusing (like some preachers today…smile). The gods, particularly Apollo, did not answer man's questions clearly, but could be expected to bewilder and mislead the rash inquirer via ambiguous, enigmatic answers.

Particularly when the inquirer was not a private individual but rather an embassy from a state presenting a political question to the priest he might wish for reasons of a certain policy so to favor one particular line. Then those confusing words of the medium would be shaped to express what would then be considered an official view. At Delphi (during the 5th and 4th centuries B.C.) this rather elaborate ritual was no doubt quite expensive for any private individual to use with any kind frequency (minimum charge was equivalent of two days' wages for an Athenian, including additional sums in freewill offerings and travel expense. States would many times be charged ten times the rate of a private person.

PLATO (428-348 BC.) - Born in Athens around 428 B. C., considered one of the greatest philosophers ever! He lived during the Age of Synthesis. After his father's death his mother married a friend of Pericles so he was politically connected to both the oligarchy and democracy. After the Peloponnesian War, his mother's brother and uncle tried persuading him to join in the oligarchical rules of Athens. Instead, Plato joined his two older brothers in becoming a student of Socrates. Socrates forced them to challenge then to examine their ideas and beliefs critically, which was annoying and antagonizing many in the process. Socrates seems to have adopted as his own the motto of Delphic Oracle, "Know thyself;" while trying to dissociate himself from the sophists' brand of instruction for hire, he taught his students that it is the greatest good for a man to discuss virtue every day and those other things about which you hear me conversing and testing myself and others, for the unexamined life is not worth living.

Plato was an opponent of the relativism and skepticism of the Sophists; but like them he focused on values rather than on physical science. Aristotle credits Socrates with emphasizing moral questions and precise definitions; and Plato surely absorbed these lessons.

Plato was no friend of the Thirty Tyrants, who's reign (404-403 B.C.) lasting only 8 months, but neither was he a friend of Athenian democracy when it was restored. As told in the Seventh Letter after Socrates' death, he became disenchanted with all existing political regimes, feeling that the only salvation of politics would require either true and genuine philosophers attaining political power or the rulers of states by some dispensation of providence becoming genuine philosophers. Departing from Athens he traveled Egypt, Sicily and Italy. In Egypt he learnt of a water clock and later would introduce it into Greece. In Italy he learned of Pythagoras and came to appreciate the value of mathematics.

Approximately 387 B.C. Plato founded a school in Athens, in a grove sacred to the demigod Academus, the school was called the Academy (where the word academics came from). This school was, in effect, a university of higher learning and included physical science, astronomy, mathematics, as well as philosophy. In addition to presiding over the Academy, Plato also delivered lectures (never published).

Only two further episodes in Plato's life were recorded. He went to Syracuse (367 B.C.) following the death of Dionysius I who had ruled the city. Dion, the brother-in-law of Dionysius I, had persuaded Plato to come to Syracuse to tutor Dionysius II, the new ruler. Dion and Archytas of Tarentum had a plan that if Dionysius II was trained in science and philosophy he would be better able to prevent Carthage's invasion of Sicily. Due to Dionysius II problem with jealousy of Dion the plan fell apart as had expected it would, though he had agreed to the plan anyway.

Plato returns to Athens, visited Syracuse again in 361 B.C., remaining there for part of 360 B.C., with hopes of bringing the rivals together. Despite Plato's efforts he did not achieve a political solution to this rivalry. Dion attacked Syracuse in a coup in 357 B.C., gained control, but Dion was then murdered in 354 B.C.