The (Serious) What's Your Favorite Throw Thread

[neigung]

I really don't know what most of these are called in other arts, aside from one, but here are mine...

pulling (I think the closest thing to this in judo is the body drop throw)
chopping
neck surround leg blocking
knee seizing
elbow locking
pulling arm kicking

if anyone knows what these are in judo etc. feel free to translate

[MonkeySlap Too]

Puter Kepala and forward mopping (at least the variants I am referring to here) are the same throw. Some schools do not use the 'head rolling' for the puter, but the pukulan and kun tao guys do...It's a pretty versatile concept with a wide range of technical expresion - me, I like forward mopping with forward march...

[SevenStar]

coo - we only did it with the neck turn, not the head roll. This is a great tidbit for the Ultimate Grappling Thread

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by neigung
I really don't know what most of these are called in other arts, aside from one, but here are mine...

pulling (I think the closest thing to this in judo is the body drop throw)
chopping
neck surround leg blocking
knee seizing
elbow locking
pulling arm kicking

if anyone knows what these are in judo etc. feel free to translate

pulling - tai otoshi
neck surround - koshi guruma
neck surround with leg block would be similar to o soto makikomi, and to harai goshi if you sweep with the leg
elbow locking is used in entries to throws, like the shoulder throw.

describe pulling arm kicking and knee seizing

[Liokault]

Step up raise hands.

[neigung]

knee seizing -
my right hand on your right shoulder, my left hand goes to the side or back of your right knee, then the hands turn like you would a steering wheel.

pulling arm kicking -
both hands pull one of your arms as my body hops along side, then I pull backwards on your shoulder or head and kick your foot out from under you.

Basic descriptions, hope you can understand them.

[Water Dragon]

On knee seizing, I like to push on the shoulder, and then when you try to step out and escape the throw, smack you hard in the back of the knee. Gives you more of an "WTF just happened to me" thingy going on.

[neigung]

That sounds pretty good, I'll have to try that one.
When I get a half as sed knee seizing going (ie, less upper body control than I'd like, but good control on the knee), I just start running them backwards. 2 or 3 steps and they've tumbled. Or if you have the position, stick one of your feet behind theirs...knee seizing with either shaving or an outside dull sickle, depending on which foot you use.

[Water Dragon]

The one I like is, when knee seizing fails, take the hand that slapped the knee and change the grip to their elbow and continue stepping out into Diagonal Cut. Reap out both legs. If the cut fails, steal step backward with lead leg and go into neck surround.

That sounds like a good drill for Saturday, no?

[CrippledAvenger]

D@mn right, it does.

[Chang Style Novice]

http://www.takwah.com/taichi/steps.htm

This page shows some line drawings of "part the horse's mane" at 5-10, left right and then left again. No applications, though.

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by Water Dragon
On knee seizing, I like to push on the shoulder, and then when you try to step out and escape the throw, smack you hard in the back of the knee. Gives you more of an "WTF just happened to me" thingy going on.

sounds like kuchiki taoshi - falling tree throw.

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by neigung

pulling arm kicking -
both hands pull one of your arms as my body hops along side, then I pull backwards on your shoulder or head and kick your foot out from under you.

Sounds like an o soto gari variation.

[neigung]

I just google searched o soto gari; not close at all.
In pulling arm kicking, both people are facing the same direction (after the hop).
I found a site with animations of judo throws, so I'll look for the closest approximation and post it in a few min.

[Oso]

CSN, cool. Except that we keep the lower hand closer to the elbow that's what we do as 'ward right, left then right again'

the beginning of that set is exactly like ours except we 'capture ball' the other way and 'part mane' right-left-right.

but then it completely diverges.

more tomorrow.