TMA and bad attitude (not a troll)

[ShaolinTiger00]

Jeff, just a reminder, not all combat sports are grappling and most mma guys are striking too.

your post had alot of generalizations in it. some true, some not.


oso - love the lizard and brontasouraus quote! mind if i use it? source?

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by jmd161
Listen to sum it all up.


People are people the world over.I've met TMA that are A-holes and i've met MMA that are A-holes as well.To say one side is more defensive than the other makes no sense.There is no way to come up with a accurate number of a-holes on either side.

I think what it is that both sides take their training seriously.Some seem to take it too serious.

From my travels on the internet it seems to be the MMA and grapplers that seem to have the most to say about others.You can not go to any forum where there are MMA ppl and Grapplers without them telling you how they can always take you down and pound you.

According to them there is nothing a striker can do to stop them from taking you down.Then to backup their point they point out how MMA and grapplers always take down strikers in Pride and the UFC and pound them into submission or tap them out.But to be honest i think most of the smack talking comes from the newbies and kids.

Alot of times i read these threads and don't reply to them because i know it's a death sentence.As soon as you say anything about defending yourself from the shoot or the guard everyone wants to tell you how you as a striker can not do it.Because as a striker it can't be done from that position and so on.The same people that tell you this have never learned any striking arts or dwelled into them for a few weeks or months ,and think they know everything about striking.

Like i said it happens on both sides all the time.But when i go to forums it seems that the TMA people are always willing to talk things out back and forth.The Grapplers and MMA seem to always want to tell you how you're wasting your time with a striking art.You rarely see TMA ppl bashing MMA and grapplers.But any forum on the internet you can always find MMA and grapplers bashing striking arts.From my travels i see that most TMA people respect MMA and grapplers.It's those same people that have no respect for TMA.

I went into a rant but i think i made my point point?

It happens on both sides!


jeff

on the net, it's typically, newbies, kids and trolls. I've got bjj friends and training partners who get threads deleted on mma.tv for trolling judo guys. IRL though, they respect them, and train with them. When I first started bjj, they were all very anxious to see my CMA - didn't joke or anything. many of them had previously trained aikido, karate or something else. As far as they're concerned, if it works for you, use it.

[jmd161]

SevenStar ,

Yeah i figured it had to be pretty much those in that group that talk the most crap.

I train with some grapplers and mma ppl and the're all very cool.

Some at the start did not respect kung fu or at least said that they did'nt,but they have changed their thoughts a little.some respect kung fu more now and others just respect me and the way i train.They point out not alot of strikers train like we do at my school.

jeff

[Merryprankster]

ninthdrunk

Even more pertinent, you'll never understand the application in your form if you don't practice it. It might be THERE, but there are little nuances that really improve the way things work that you'll never understand if it's not common to practice them.

Even worse, as this continues--moves being treated as afterthoughts--the knowledge is lost as it's passed down.

Think of all the phenomenally stupid ways people suggest countering shots and you'll see what I mean.

As far as "can you avoid going to the ground?" Absolutely. But that involves learning to grapple--not like a champ, but to shake off the clinch/shot. Time and time again we've seen people try to just beat on the guy who is clinching to takedown and it just doesn't work well. Your balance is off, the spacing is wrong...

Learn to grapple out then follow up. Guy Mezger is great at getting out of the clinch and following up with nice strikes.

[jmd161]

Originally posted by ShaolinTiger00
Jeff, just a reminder, not all combat sports are grappling and most mma guys are striking too.

your post had alot of generalizations in it. some true, some not.

I agree ST00 i was very general.

When i say grapplers i mean wrestlers and Bjj people.I have never gotten any flack from any judo or other grappling arts.I know mma people are strikers also ,but when i say strikers i mean tradidtonal karate and kung fu people.Most mma people seem to see themselves more as grapplers than strikers.

But remember these are just the people i've come in contact with.


jeff

[CaptinPickAxe]

It makes me laugh...

BJJers who say they don't need to know how to strike, they'll just fight on the ground. Its funny cause all the fights I see here in SA-Town, when they hit the ground 4 or 5 of ol' dudes homies will jump in and dance on Mr. BJJ's face.

I've also heard SDer's (not Flaming) says that BJJ is unnessacary. They can handle themselves well enough to not let it go to the ground. This is a big if. When you get taken to the ground Mr.BJJ is going to pop your bones regardless if your tapping. You better hope you didn't tell your friends you can handle yourself so don't help, cause you'll need it.

[Oso]

STOO

of course, it's not mine

Robert A. Heinlein

it's found in a group of aphorisms by Heinlein characters published as "The Notebooks of Lazarus Long"

out of print last time I looked.

I could email you a .doc w/ all of them.

[Meat Shake]

Played with the BJJ guys yesterday for a bit, forgot how much I enjoyed it. Gonna start practicing with them before SC class. Good stuff, very fluid on the ground.
Chen, Shuai Chiao, and BJJ. Sounds good for me for now.

[Judge Pen]

Originally posted by CaptinPickAxe
It makes me laugh...

BJJers who say they don't need to know how to strike, they'll just fight on the ground. Its funny cause all the fights I see here in SA-Town, when they hit the ground 4 or 5 of ol' dudes homies will jump in and dance on Mr. BJJ's face.

I've also heard SDer's (not Flaming) says that BJJ is unnessacary. They can handle themselves well enough to not let it go to the ground. This is a big if. When you get taken to the ground Mr.BJJ is going to pop your bones regardless if your tapping. You better hope you didn't tell your friends you can handle yourself so don't help, cause you'll need it.

CPA, some SDers may have said that just like some TKD, or PM, or Tai Chi etc. may say things like that. I've messed around with BJJ enought to know you don't want to go to the ground, but if you do, then you better know how to protect yourself (unless you have 5 or 6 hommies ina dancing mood)

[CaptinPickAxe]

Every style has thick-headed practioners. I just so happens my whole SD kwoon belived they could end all fights on their feet. Its sad, really, but soon enough they will learn.

[SevenStar]

"I've also heard SDer's (not Flaming) says that BJJ is unnessacary. "

LOL, many people would say that SD isn't necessary...

[SevenStar]

there have been a few threads here about defending on the ground against multiple attackers.

[Oso]

the secret being to have caltrops ready....

[rubthebuddha]

the secret being to have caltrops ready....

this does NOT work when being attacked by multiple hoes wearing platform shoes.

[Liokault]

What you do not understand 7star is that the pizza guy was a ninja and was laughthing at both the TMA and MMA guy as he saw the conversation for what it was, 2 grown men talking about somthing that (for 99.9% of martial artists) makes no differance out side of the kwoon/dojo. Ground or no ground its all about how much you enjoy it, and who can say that the MMA guy was not fooling himself any less than the TMS guy.


Hope that makes sense as its late and I am tired.