Guns and MA's...hahaha

[Starchaser107]

I usually tend to be in agreement with this type of reasoning, as above in BJ's post.
the odds might be slim but , i suppose there are cases when it is definately better to take the chance. is this post suggesting that martial artists Do Not train gun defense?

I think a more appropriate statement is, TRAIN GUN DEFENSE

but do not be fooled by a FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY.

anything is worth a try when there's so much at stake.

win or lose , it's that simple.

you can laugh, but , I'll continue to train, maybe it works , maybe not.

[joedoe]

Originally posted by Black Jack
I am not afraid to voice my viewpoint. It's not about having a specific by rote gun defense. Its about just having a understanding of those basic principles involved if you are forced to take action and are given the needed opportunity.

There are times when a person may very well want to consider taking his chances with a attacker armed with a firearm as the outcome of following his orders may be just as lethal as fighting him off if not worse.

Getting into a car, getting tied up, and so forth......

A few weeks ago I posted a link to a torture and murder where a man was brought into a van by gunpoint for drugmoney.

btw- the desert eagle has to be one of the most absurd guns for civilan self protection. The thing is absurd.

I can't believe it - I actually agree with BJ on something

[Nick]

Didn't somebody post a video or link to a video of some monk doing a real-live gun disarm on some guy in a parking lot?

Later...

[ZhouJiaQuan]

did anyone see the video there playing on the news with the lawyer getting shot?

this guy walks up to this lawyer, pulls out a revolver and shoots him 1 or 2 times, then the guy who was shot gets behind a tree and the guy aims the gun at one side of the tree, the lawyer ducks to the other, then the gunner moves to that side of the tree and the lawyer moves to the other, they do this dance for 3-4times i guess. then when the gun was empty the shooter just walked away, and the got tackled by an off duty cop. and the lawyer is still walking around(adrenaline must be some strong ish). its was really wierd to watch. truth is stranger then fiction sometimes i guess.

(it was caught on camera because it was outside a courthouse that a big trail was going on at)

btw CPA - lay off the aesop quotes haha

[Ikken Hisatsu]

the problem is most people are thick. the kind of people who think having a black belt automatically makes you a master of fisticuffs are going to have a false sense of security if someone points a gun at them. this is a VERY bad thing. I personally don't care if someone that stupid gets killed, but it would reflect badly on the teacher. which is one of the reasons i feel many instructors dont teach gun defense (apart from the fairly obvious fact that if someones going to shoot you they probably won't stand right next to you and give you time to grab the weapon- another thing that only happens in movies)

[rogue]

I think a more appropriate statement is, TRAIN GUN DEFENSE but do not be fooled by a FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY.

Agreed. Good training for gun assaults will actually give you a better idea of what your odds are for success.

Agree with you about the DE, BJ. Nice gun but a pain to pack.

the problem is most people are thick. the kind of people who think having a black belt automatically makes you a master of fisticuffs are going to have a false sense of security if someone points a gun at them. this is a VERY bad thing. I personally don't care if someone that stupid gets killed, but it would reflect badly on the teacher.

I do hope you're joking.

which is one of the reasons i feel many instructors dont teach gun defense (apart from the fairly obvious fact that if someones going to shoot you they probably won't stand right next to you and give you time to grab the weapon- another thing that only happens in movies)

You're assuming that most instructors have a clue about dealing with a gun assault. They don't. As far as distance did you see the video of what happened outside the LA courthouse? Most people can't hit jack **** with a hand gun, even at pretty close range.

[Ikken Hisatsu]

Originally posted by Ikken Hisatsu
which is one of the reasons i feel many instructors dont teach gun defense (apart from the fairly obvious fact that if someones going to shoot you they probably won't stand right next to you and give you time to grab the weapon- another thing that only happens in movies)

I didnt think my english was that difficult to understand....

As for my first statement how about this-

One of Joe Sifus students was held up recently with a gun, so Joe Sifu decides a few pointers in gun situations wouldnt go amiss. (he is proficient in disarming people- in fact he was the champion of the international disarming people league for 3 years running)

While Joe Sifu stresses that this should ONLY be used in a situation where the only alternative is death, some fool walks out feeling bullet proof. later on, someone sticks him up for his wallet. moron tries to defend and gets shot and killed. Joe Sifus reputation goes down the toilet- everyone accuses him of teaching wrong or inspiring a foolish sense of confidence. Joe Sifu is ruined, his wife leaves him for the milkman, and he ends his days playing tekken 12 while crying into his (cheap) beer.

All of Joe Sifus peers hear about this, look at each other and say a collective "f*ck that for a joke"

[rogue]

What the hell are you talking about?

[Meat Shake]

Dude, everybody knows that I'm the champion for the people who disarm people league.
Pppppfffft.

[SanSoo Student]

What distance would a gun disarming tech work?
How would it work from a frontal versus a hold up from the side?

[Ikken Hisatsu]

the problem lies in speed. obviously you gotta be pretty quick to get the gun pointing away from you, whether you dodge (in which case he will just follow) or whether you smack it out of the way. the problem comes from the fact that you have no idea how fast the other guy is. its a gamble I certainly wouldn't want to take unless I was certain he would kill me otherwise.

[sticky fingers]

Originally posted by Fu-Pow
I tried a Daewoo Semi-Automatic, a single action 38 revolver and a smaller semi-automatic.

That's some scary **** man. The next time I hear or read something about someone doing a gun disarm I'm going to laugh my ass off.

geez, I thought Daewoo only made cars

[dwid]

geez, I thought Daewoo only made cars

Well, if they make guns as good as they make cars....

Anyway, BJ, I agree with you that training is still worthwhile. The situation presented was one where a gun was actually pointed at you, which to me is obviously the worst type of gun scenario. At that point, I suppose it's a judgment call as to whether the person intends to kill you.

Also, regarding the Desert Eagle, you might as well start using an AK for home defense. It's like the .454; I think most people who have one just like the attention they get on the range. Seems like a big waste of money.

[neigung]

Well...a .50 will definitely drop someone no matter where you hit them.
If I'm in the situation that I actually need to shoot someone, I want to make sure that f ucker is going to drop no matter what. Get the .50

[Meat Shake]

A D.E. is just one hard ass piece. No questions asked. I want a D.E. and a Mosberg for the house. I dont need to carry where Im at now, but if I ever had to for some odd reason, Id go with a 9mm.