Gracie Jiujitsu, Brazilian Jiujitsu, and Machado Jiujitsu: Are they the same style?

[chokeyouout2]

hey buhma since my vehicle is called a el camino, does that mean it was designed in mexico?Oh I know im being euro-centric right?The adjective of the style doesnt dictate its origin.Get a clue.

[JWTAYLOR]

Reality, the difference is that JiuJitsu really was created in Japan and its subsequent move to Brazil has been fairly modern.

But I would still question it's direct lineage to Shuai Jiow. Most of the Japanese JJ looks more like Chinese Chin na than Shuai Jiow. Judo looks allot more like SJ and a whole lot more like BJJ than JJJ. The Japanese JiuJitsu has allot more to do with the Samurai Aiki Jutsu than Shaui Jiow. Now I know allot of people would argue that Aiki Jutsu then comes from SJ but I think we're getting way too far into antiquity to really be able to judge that with any certainty.

JWT

[Paul DiMarino]

Personally, I don't think where an art comes from is truly important as long as it has evolved into it's own unique discipline. Wow. The arts resemble each other. Big surprise seeing as there are only so many ways a human body can move. Why do people care about this stuff?

[Buhma]

Reality, I have more than a "clue" thank you.
As your name suggests, I live in REALITY, and as such am disheartened at bigotry. I shouldn't have brought that subject here, as I'm sure most of you are not bigots... I just wanted to rant a little, ok? I just wanted to point out that for some reason if it isn't "western" it isn't good enough... even if it is of eastern origin... it is somehow westernized to placate the fragile egos of many westerners.
An example would be these ANHB competitions... how long have they been around? And how many hundreds of years has other non-western competitions been conducted? So all those "other" fights are simply forgotten because of a few matches in an octagon? Oh yeah...that's right if it ain't Pride or UFC.. "it ain't ****".

And don't kid yourself, Pride is FULLY western competition... just because it's in Japan doesn't make it eastern. Japan is WESTERNIZED... you don't see their businessmen conducting business in Komonos do you? My point is Japanese civilization has assimilated much of western pop-culture, and the Pride comp is just an aspect of it.


As for your automobile analogy... I suggest you take a class in logic or critical thinking, as that does not compare. If you wish, you can try again.

[This message has been edited by Buhma (edited 08-16-2000).]

[chokeyouout2]

I got a B in logic last semester. venn diagram?Arisotlean truth tables?Faulty analogies?Square of opposition?Probability?contrary to fact hypothesis?,post hoc fallacy?Please, Im in college and I train.I think ufc has become too commercialised for my tastes.Try international vale tudo, I like it better.Your right i used a bad euphimism.No need to argue bro,who cares where the **** came from,I wasnt there when it was invented so martians could have taught it to Helio.You probably know more about its origin,i really havent looked into the subject to greatly. peace

[totallyfrozen]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MaFuYee:
Just wait till the gracies announce that they are going to show their patented 'brazilian chi' techniques. - it's better than regular chinese chi, qi, or korean or japanese ki.[/quote]

[img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] Hehehehe!