The perfect system of government?

[shaolin kungfu]

Does it exist? If so, what is it?

That's it. That's the question. Think about it for a while, and write a response.

p.s.-I don't want this to become a name calling or bashing thread. Keep it civil, keep it safe. Debate is fine, but please no personal attacks.

p.s.s. I also posted this in the ORA forum, but since most people won't see it there (I hate to admit it, but it's the truth ) I decided to post here to.

[joedoe]

Human nature precludes the existence of a perfect system of government.

[Shaolinlueb]

its called communism or socialism... same thing almsot :-P



heck i dont know.

[shaolin kungfu]

could you explain?

This goes for everyone really. Good posts so far.

[Black Jack]

In its basic framework the perfect government has already been created. This creation being the USA and with its constitutional republic.

[joedoe]

You also need to clarify whether you mean a theoretical system of government, or the actual implementation of the governing system.

BJ - care to elaborate on your POV?

[shaolin kungfu]

well, in theory, and in practice. I won't limit you there. If you want to differentiate between hypotheticals and actuals go ahead.

And also feel free to come up with something on your own.(please, no "make me king of the universe stuff)

[PHILBERT]

While communism could be considered the perfect system of government, the ideal communism will never come to being because people have opinions. We need gas station operators, so they pick me. Well I don't want to work in a gas station, so therefore it is not perfect.

One could say democracy, but then you get the different opinions on the coin. Take abortion, some say legel, some say not. Or prayer in school, or war in Iraq, people think differently, and they argue, and argue, and argue and nothing gets done. Or when it gets done, it gets *******ized. Because people have opinions.

One could say the ideal government was in the Garden of Eden where everyone would be happy and not have any cares in the world, but that was lost and so we must work. As long as people are capable of free thought, no perfect government will exist.

I mean, in my perfect government, I am the ruler of all. But I'm sure you people don't want me to rule all.

My Texas Government teacher said back when Arnold was running for governor, "You know people are asking what would our founding fathers think about this? I personally think they would love it. Because if you have a leader you do not like, take that leader out of office." And she is correct. Might be dumb, but I think George Washington, Jefferson, and all them others would feel like THAT was democracy at it's best.

[T'ai Ji Monkey]

Maybe the perfect system is soemthing along the lines I once read in a book many years (forgot the Title).

It is a city ruled by a benign dictator and everything works smoothly, till one boy decides to contact the top-guy.

In the end it is discovered that the Ruler died centuries ago and the goverment has just been running along flawlessly.

[PHILBERT]

T'ai Ji Monkey, that was what happened in Equilibrium. The main character never met the ruler of the people, I can't recall what they called him. He'd seen pictures I think, but never met the man. Turns out when he finally did meet him, he had dies years before, and someone assumed his position and was using holograms and computers to make the people feel the man was still alive.

[T'ai Ji Monkey]

Originally posted by PHILBERT
T'ai Ji Monkey, that was what happened in Equilibrium. The main character never met the ruler of the people, I can't recall what they called him. He'd seen pictures I think, but never met the man. Turns out when he finally did meet him, he had dies years before, and someone assumed his position and was using holograms and computers to make the people feel the man was still alive.

Close but not the same, might be the same story with a hollywood twist added in??
The story in the book was set in a low-tech world, pre-victorian I think.

In the Book, nobody really knew who the ruler was as only a few people were supposed to have access to him.

The whole goverment structure was set up in a way that people only knew the people that worked close to them, kinda like a secret society where you only know 3 members.

In the end it was decided not to reveal that there is no ruler as everything was running smooth.

Somehow reminds me of the patriarch in the Discworld Series, where life without him is worse than life with him ruling.

[PHILBERT]

Well there really are only like 7 types of movie plots out there, each one twisted around into a new way. As far as Hollywood twists, the first Matrix was a twist of Plato/Socrates and the theory of the cave thing.

[T'ai Ji Monkey]

Haven't seen Equilibrium yet, but will keep an eye out for it.

Good chance that it went straight to Video/DVD over here, if it was released that is.

[yenhoi]

You dont have to worry about the "peoples" opinions if you educate your population corectly. Of course the governing sect or caste has to have a vetting system for the workers and thier opinions.

Plato had it right. Communism.

Representitive Democracys are highly flawed. USA just happens to have become very powerful.

[Meat Shake]

"In the end it is discovered that the Ruler died centuries ago and the goverment has just been running along flawlessly."

Dude, you totally ruined it for me.





I think in theory, communism is great. Only problem, is that it never works.