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What about pen knives? Easily concealable. Can keys really be used effectively for self defense?
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Yes, key can be effective in self defense.
1) Get out your keys
2) Unlock the car door
3) Get in the car
4) Use the key to start the car
5) Get the Hell out of there
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composed (kom-pozd') adj. The ability to keep ones head when everyone arround them is loosing theirs.
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Highlander, I'm not one to talk about something I don't know about, I speak from experience only, not guess-work. I'll give you a brief run-down on JKDVIGILANTE: you might find this interesting: I'm 34, I have been shot in the hip, stabbed in the thigh(same leg), mugged at gunpoint. All but 2 of my friends are already dead, I witnessed my own mothers death,was standing next to a guy who was shot through the mouth with a .357magnum, watched his brains float down the gutter in a small river of blood---have seen worse--I have truly been there. oh, did I mention the guy was killed for being black--NO OTHER F-CKIN' REASON-JUST BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK! you just don't know sh-t unless you're unlucky enough to witness a hrrible tragedy like that. you have to live this hell to know where I'm coming from. Society can be evil beyond your worst nightmares. I want to help people live, not die.
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JKDVIGILANTE ....... Excellent point. This is reminicent of a thread we had going quite sometime ago. It was about training for our own realities. Your world is quite different from mine. I can't even imagine myself in the situations you mentioned, so my training and perspecive is going to be quite different. In my world, the use of lethal force would be an extreme response in most cases. In the world you describe, the use of lethal force would be the preferred response. Therefore my training incorporates non lethal options whereas yours may not. Maybe we should start that thread up again and find out what dangers others envision and what situations they train for. It could give some clarity in their other posts, ie, a person in law enforcement will train different than a person training for barroom brawl.
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composed (kom-pozd') adj. The ability to keep ones head when everyone arround them is loosing theirs.
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Pa Kua does indeed have a weapon very similar to chop sticks. They're a pair of shortish steel rods, thin and blunt on the end. Mounted with a ring most of the way down that acts as a swivel point. They can be swung down to run along the forearms for concealment and parrying, and then quickly swung out to "pierce" with the blunt ends.
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one's mind is the best concealed weapon
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Higlander, I appreciate your last entry, your open-mindedness is encouraging. You want to know the strangest thing about my story^? I was born and raised upper-middle class, have always lived in private neighborhoods, gone to private schools(except high school--public yikes). What does this have to do with anything? It's real simple-----NONE of us here are exempt from the worst society has to offer, it may and most likely WILL happen to all of you here, at least once in your lives. If you want to live, you are going to have to learn the brutal stuff. You also need to know when to keep your mouth shut, because when somebody has a gun to your head---any kung-fu attempt will surely result in death--YOURS! I learned my best techniques from street-fighters with zero M.A.'s training. Never under-estimate a 'dirty' fighter. He's the one that can beat you---unless you know how to play it his way. As far as street-weapons, I actually prefer my 'chucks above all else. The problem is that they are bulky and noisy(noisy because I prefer a long chain--20 links).Also, I think 'chucks are illegal here(when concealed). The knife is legal though--even with my modifications. I have to follow the law, that's the rule. Life can be ugly, I'm here to help. Sincerely,
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JKDVIGILANTE,
**** thats gotta be though to watch man!
My regards to your mother...
about them chucks.. Have you ever fought with them in a street fight?
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JKDVIGILANTE ....... I follow your point and I won't even pretend that I can relate, but you have just painted a scenerio that I am having a hard time grasping. There are areas that violence is expected and I try to avoid them. I also recognize that violence is not limited to those areas and can creap into my life at anytime and I prepare for this, but I really don't expect it to happen and would consider it a freak thing if it does. But it sounds like you have encountered a huge amount of extreme situations even though your world is one that most people would consider relatively safe. Quite frankly from your previous posts I pictured South Central LA, not upper middle class Miami (yes, I'm stereotyping, but it gets my point accross). So if it's not too painful could you relate how these situations occurred and can they be avoided. As you said, in some situation no amount of training is going to help. So my first preference is always avoidance.
If it causes you pain, forget I asked. I will understand. Also, this forum was started because the owner of this site lost a friend in the Day Trader shootings. Also, Michael had a friend murdered because she was gay. So even though I may be a relative virgin in this world of kaos, there are people here that can relate to this senceless violence. You may want to talk to them privately through E-mail.
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composed (kom-pozd') adj. The ability to keep ones head when everyone arround them is loosing theirs.
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Highlander: I actually feel the need to talk about it(hard times). People that don't know--need to know. If you want actual stories, I'll be more than happy to oblige. The story I'm about to tell, the whole situation was entirely my fault, just for being there when I was. I was at a do-it-yourself carwash(1 mile from home, busy street,well lit, nice 'hood). it was 9:30 p.m., I was the only one there, except for the two guys waiting in the little bit of woods at the end of the driveway. I was vacuuming my car(couldn't hear a thing). Next thing I know, I look up, one of the guys is coming around my car on my left side, and has a .38 spl in his hand. I didn't know it was loaded, until he stuck it right in my face--I could clearly see the full-metal-jacket rounds now. While he got my attention with the gun, his buddy went through my pockets etc...When they went through my belongings and only found $150, they became real ****ed-off--because they also wanted jewelry(I had no jewelry). They told me I should die for wasting their time. At this time, I thought I was a dead man for sure. I believe what kept me alive that time was keeping my mouth shut and acting in a way as to let them know I wasn't going to try any 'hero' bullsh-t, and at the end, I begged for my life--literally. They finally just told me to turn around and start running--and don't look back! I did as they instructed, and lived. If I would have done any different, I would surely be dead now. If anyone 'gets-the-drop-on-you' like that, and they have a gun(and a partner), you're fuc-ed--PERIOD! Don't ever kid yourself. You are at their mercy--they hold your life in their hands. I now realize just how 'mortal' I am. I got 'lucky' that day(night). KungFuKriz: yes I have used my 'chucks on the street, but my stories will have to be limited, due to the fact that vigilante is not just a nic., I help others whenever I can. I can say though; that I've never had to hit anybody in the head with them, I prefer to break both hands with them, this stops the fight every time, and no one dies. perfect.
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JKDVIGILANTE ........ That story makes some very good points.
1)In a robbery just give them the money. I have always been taught that if you don't then it is like saying that $150.00 is worth more than my life.
2) As Jaguar and I had mentioned in another post. Self-defense is about serviving an encounter, not winning an encounter.
3) Going against a gun is a last resort. Only fight an armed assailant when you are convinced that they are going to use the weapon no matter what you do. The odds of success may not be good, but that's all you've got. And even if you train hard and think that puts the odds in your favor, you would be wrong.
4) Anyone can get caught unprepared. This is a point I tried to make in a post some months ago. In an encounter, the bad guy always has the initial advantage or at least they think they do. If they do not see an opportunity to get the advantage, they simply won't attack. They get to pick the who, when, and where and it will never be an equal opportunity. When you see the bad guys, the best you can hope for is that they pass on by and pick someone else 'cause you aren't allowed to take an action if they don't.
5) At the end you mentioned using non-deadly force. This is also my preference. I hate the thought that just because some low life, scum sucking piece of ..... uh, I mean under privilaged youth picks me out of the crowd to be his victem, that my life is going to be distroyed. In todays society using deadly force, or even excessive force can lead to jail time and law suits. And those things can cascade into the loss of employment, which can lead to the loss of your home, which can lead to the distruction of your family. Even if you win, the legal fees can do more damage than allowing yourself to be robbed. And that's not even getting into the mental trama from killing someone. I figure if I needed to I could use deadly force without blinking an eye, but that is not to say that the event wouldn't haunt me for a long time.
Thank you for sharing. I know others will find value in your post also.
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Hey guys, check-out my latest topic in 'kungfu forum'. Let me know what you think.
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i'd have to agree with the rolled up magazine or newspaper. a friend of mine and i were sparring with one another using rolled up magazines a la arnis sticks and he caught me on the cheek with one and it was enough to make the eyes water and stun me long enough for him to get a few more quick blows in before i could recover. also, they're legal and most weapons aren't. as far as the sharp objects go, i've never been mad enough (even at my worst enemy) to want to attempt to kill someone. you have to realize that plunging a sharp object into someone's body is quite a serious commitment to make and is nothing like they make it look in the movies. of course, if my life were threatened that's one thing but a simple street fight doesn't warrant that kind of retaliation. oh yeah, pepper spray is a pretty **** good weapon. if you've ever had it sprayed in your face you know this to be true. complete lack of vision and if you're unlucky enough to inhale some, complete lack of breath. that gives you more than enough time to vacate the scene or (if you're ruthless) to seriously take advantage of your attacker and victimize him / her. okay, that's my humble opinion...
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I know a police officer that also teaches fighting to the police force that he is with. We both share techniques with each other, teach women's self defense together, things like that. He told me that pepper spray will not do much against a motivated attacker. If the person really wants to kill you, that sh*t ain't gonna do nothin. Anybody ever see those self-defense keychains that you can attach your keys to? I think they're called a kobuton or something like that. Anyway, he told me that a woman was being attacked, grabbed the wood end, and smacked her attacker with the keys. The guy (that I know) told me, that the attacker's face looked like a cracked pumpkin (his exact description). The keys cut just about down to the bone. Sounds like a good weapon to me.
My greatest weapon, that I always keep with me, are my wits and intelligence. Keep those and don't get nervous and you should prevail over most of the things that life throws at you.
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When man is born he is soft and weak; When man dies he becomes stiff and hard. Thus, the stiff and unyielding follow death; The soft and yielding follow life.
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The 'Jackie Chan' film where the female cop uses chopsticks is 'Police Story 3: Super Cop'.
The scene is Jackie Chan is playing an undercover cop working for the chinese government, so undercover that Hong Kong Police do not know whats going on, after they help a drug lord escape from a labour camp ( they want to get information from him) they get busted at a resturant. Him and another cop (the female one played by Michelle Yeoh) fight their way thought the people but Chan gets captured and escorted away. Fortunately Yeoh jumps starts another fight causing the other people to drop their weapons. Jackie breaks free and a bad guy jumps for his weapon on the floor.
KEY MOMENT
Yeoh picks up some chopsticks and chucks them like a dart at the ground (digging itself into the groun) preventing the guy from picking it up.
When another guy has a go at gettting the weapon on the ground, Chan has a go with the chopsticks but cos he's never been trained to throw chopsticks they fly in a random direction in the crowd like confetti at a wedding.
CASE CLOSED
(****** i'm bored)
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