Chin Na ground fighting book

[PHILBERT]

I remember last week reading a thread somewhere about a book about Chin Na and ground fighting written by studnets of Dr Yang, Jwing-Ming. I was on Amazon before and found this book

Chin Na in Ground Fighting: Principles, Theory and Submission Holds for All Martial Styles

While Dr Yang, Jwing-Ming is not listed as an author, his company, YMAA Publications is listed as the publisher. It was published in 2003, and I remember some people on the forum here asking about it.

I have seen this book too btw at the local martial arts shop, though I didn't pick it up and look at it, but I think I am gonna go check it out when I get around to it. Has anyone here read it? What is your opinion of it?

[Cung-Fu]

I saw it at my local Barnes and Noble. Didn't pick it up though.

I think when it comes to ground fighting BJJ is probably more specialized.

I will let you know next time I go to B&N.

[Meat Shake]

Bought it a while ago. Great book. Lots of interesting submissions, although it wouldnt be that good if you have no ground fighting experience. Doesnt teach the flow of things quite the way BJJ does.
Excellent break downs of mechanical advantage, why certain positionings work, ect.
Great pressure point diagrams and descriptions as well.

[Oso]

naw, no way...everyone know kung fu ain't got no ground game.











































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[Stranger]

In Liang Shou-yu's book on Fastwrestling, he states that the groundfighting chapter is based on Judo. I have not yet seen the book mentioned in this thread, but I wonder if it just an expansion on this idea of blending judo and Chin Na.

[truewrestler]

I noticed that book at the store this past weekend but didn't take a look at it.

[PHILBERT]

*burp*

[Oso]

but since judo comes from jujitsu and jujitsu comes from kung fu.....

[Meat Shake]

Whatever the case may be, It has a lot of nice post throw standing controls, which is what Ive been looking for. I like to be able to tie people up once they hit the ground.
Jesus Im sick today...

[shaolinarab]

Originally posted by PHILBERT

philbert,

that's actually one of the first kung fu books i ever came across in my library nearly 10 years ago. from what i remember it was very interesting. the style was similar to bjj in that both players seek to fight on the ground. in the case of the kung fu style, most of the techniques shown were such that no matter if the attacker punched or kicked, the defender would usually do some sort of dropkick or leg trapping technique that would bring the attacker to the ground. pretty cool stuff, in addition to the section on iron shin training and stuff. i think i will try to find it in my library again

[Skummer]

It just so happens that I wrote a mini-review of this book a while back. It can be found here...

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...&threadid=6439

[ngokfei]

great book. As of date really nothing has come out of china specifically on a ground fighting styles besides Day Tong and Fukien Dog Boxing but again they emphasize take downs and striking and not really submissions.

Come from eagle claw and even though we have alot of qin na and take downs the submissions on the ground are very limited.

Studdied Jiu Jitsu, Judo, Swai Jiao and wrestling to fill in this gap.

[David Jamieson]

Yang Jwing Ming is also notably a translator of a great deal of chinese martial arts literature.

So, not all the books he has out are styles he himself does. But rather it is his greatest contribution that he is presenting these materials for the non-chinese speaking world.

I am uncertain of which style Yang has most of, but I think it is White crane style that he himself does as well as Shaolin.

cheers

[PHILBERT]

Kung Lek, as well as Taiji. I think his 3 are Taiji, Crane and Long Fist. His books on Bagua and Hsing-I were with other people's help. Great books none the less from what little I read of each, but he had other instructors help with the writing.

[No_Know]

I would think you need a reference. I would have said Shaolin Chin-Na too (a book and Analysis of Shao Lin Chin Na (a book)).

SevenStar I wonder what you thought to think it's not necessarily a good thing relating to ground fighting.

I do not consider the material in the book Shao Lin Chin Na to be a style itself. I thought of it as a least common denominator. Because not all fall at jointlocks (which unspokenly includes momentum, redirection, positioning, foundation (not merely stance), needing the rightmoment--reading the adversary).

One called Void Boxing, you do not need a system nor style to study for groundfighting with JKD and Wing Chun. Wing Chun moves of the body with targeting of wrists and limbs at close to joints with punches or palm strikes should interfere with some lloimb grabs. Footwork training with being pushed from different angles should help you stay up more-so than without.

For on your back you keep Wing Chun center line theory. When on your back without arms. You might use wiggle. Use sacks filled-ish or get someone to keep you down to train wiggle (Hips high, knees higher could be a direction.

With whomever you work be aware that the effort shifts with weight and use of weight. Also there is a shifting order to tactics as some know the standard progressions and wait to intercede.

Wing Chun footwork (perhaps stance if you are well practiced) to keep up.

JKD put yourself in awkward on the ground position them figure for yourself a way out.

Add rolling tumbling and kip (golden? carp) and (Black Dragon Coils Around Pillar) and sit on the ground and get-up fast away from an object representing opponent (like sit on the floor toss a raquetball/basketball...(bouncy ball) at a wall (far away at first as you get quicker sit/lay closer to the wall) The ball comming back is the person comming to you. if you are standing when the ball gets back to you, they just tried to tackle~ you again~. when you come up raise a knee or lift a leg to interrupt the supposed rush should you get back to your feet/knees~.