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    Advice wanted...

    Hello,

    I started Shaolin Kung Fu about 4 months ago. Before I did I came here and posted some stuff about the school I'd considered starting at. Nothing was too glaring it seemed, but having been there for 4 months I'm getting a little discouraged by the way things work there. The problem is it could be totally just my perception of something as bad, when it's the way it should be or a good way to do things. So I'm just gonna explain how things are going, and hear what people have to say.

    I'd never done any martial arts before, in fact, this is pretty much the most physical thing I've done since high school (regular PE, not a sports guy). So, needless to say, I suck, but feel I've improved over the 4 months I've been doing this stuff. Here's the deal.

    The biggest problem I have with the school is the language barrier. Please endure my explanation... There is no written material at our school. Not that I expect there to be, but that means everything is verbal. Our Sifu is an elderly chinese fellow, with one hell of an accent, and fairly broken english. He can get the point across quite well, seems to know what he's talking about, and the few times (I thought this strange as well) I've seen him do forms he is very elegant and would appear to a layman such as myself to be quite skilled. But when he says the names of our forms, I'm not the only one confused as to their pronunciation, much less their potential spelling. How could I look any of this stuff up to see if it's legit when I can't even spell it much less speak it? Anything you see here with a (???) is something I am totally guessing at the spelling of.

    Anyway I start as a "white belt", learning 4 kicks (stretch kick, snap kick, turn kick, side kick), and 5 basic moves (horse stance punch, bow and arrow punch, open hand block, bong shwei(???) which is like a closed fist block in a bow and arrow stance, and reverse punch.

    The forms we learn as white belt is first fist (a series of horse stance punches, a push, reverse punch, return and back again), second fist which is more complex throwing in a kick for good measure, and Tontui(???) #2 and #5. Apparently Tontui's are like short forms consisting of only a few moves, which we usually repeat 3 times in practice. There's like 12 of them I think. 3 months went by and I'd practiced these things the whole time, showing some pretty good improvements. I think they can be done better, but I try my best. Test time comes up (tests are every 2 months) and Sifu makes me a yellow belt.

    Now I learn a form called Wushu(???). This is where I am very confused. Having done some research during my enrollment in Kung Fu, I've learned that Wushu is a word meaning "Chinese Martial Arts". So why is it also the name of a form? Ahh well. It involves some fairly simple moves, is about as short as one of our Tontui(???)'s, and involves the "Dragon Stance" and "Cat Stance" which for now is a little difficult for me. The next form I'm working on is Boshu(???) which I'm going to need to do some more stretching and exercise to do correctly.

    We do sparring every session for about 20 minutes. I get in about 3 engagements usually, and learn something every time. I have alot of fun sparring as a result, as aside from some sibling arsewhooping as a kid, I've never been in a real fight.

    The black belts here are very good. Or at least a whole hell of a lot better than I am. They seem to know dozens and dozens of forms, and I'm beginning to wonder if I will be able to remember them all if I ever get that high. It's good that their so skilled as they are the ones that teach me. And this is my next biggest worry. Sifu doesn't teach me anything. When I need to learn something, he grabs a blackbelt, sends us to the back of the room, the blackbelt (and he does a good job about it usually) shows me the form, move, what have you. When I'm comfortable doing it on my own, the next time Sifu calls that form I get up and try it by count (1, 2, 3, etc). Once I've really got the hang of it, I go ahead and try it by my own speed.

    What I want to know is:

    * Does any of this sound familiar to you?

    * Does any of this sound horrid and unnacceptable to you?

    I started Kung Fu because it's an interesting art to me. I need the exercise. I need something in my life to do other than work, eat, sleep, and sit at the computer. It's fulfilling my needs... but is it true Kung Fu? I feel embarassed at the urge to want to ask, as though I doubt my Sifu. I don't want to, I just don't know the difference.
    -Sakko

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    sounds par for the course for the majority of Kung fu schools.....
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    If it's not considered disrespectful, ask your sifu to write down the chinese characters for your forms. You can look up the characters online or ask another person to translate them for you. You'll need to know if they are meant to be pronounced in Manderin or Cantonese or any other dialect.
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    I'm willing to bet the short forms you're talking about are actually tan tui, which is a longfist thing, I believe. You can find lots on that stuff, on here and elsewhere.

    The "wushu" thing you're talking about sounds like "5 basic stances", heard it under some other names. Probably covers horse, cat, pu bu, bow, and twisted horse, right?
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    wubu chuan..
    do a search on this, a lot of schools do this 5 stance drill.. There is a video of a wushu version (but still the same as I've seen) on wushucentral.com

    Tan tui..

    You can see a video of a version on emptyflower.com
    There are 10 and 12 line versions mainly, some schools have 14 and well any other number, but I've seen 10 and 12 line versions the most.

    Sounds like a pretty good school to me.. sparring every session is good.
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    Sound nornal to me, as well.
    ...bong shwei(???) which is like a closed fist block in a bow and arrow stance...
    Have no clue how to spell this, either, but is the same name Pai Lum uses for this block.

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    sounds good. Stick with it.
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    Sounds pretty normal for a class with a foreign instructor. Ive had a similar experience and i can say that with the senior students help, you can learn just as well as with a fluent english speaking instructor. Also it may enrich your experience to become a little familiar with his language as well.
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    Thanks so much for the responses guys, I feel alot better now

    Yeah, I'd thought of learning the basics of chinese, but I'm not sure which dialect. One of the students that communicates with him regularly in chinese is from Hong Kong I know, she's always telling us stories of her childhood. She's an interesting person, 40-50 yrs old I'd say, kicking my ass regularly in sparring Does anyone know which dialect is mostly spoken in HK? All I know is "thank you" in chinese at this point

    BTW, the school I'm at supposedly teaches Shaolin Longfist, and Praying Mantis. He also runs a Tai Chi class as well, though I don't go to that. Anyway, that "Wushu" form I was talking about I've heard referred to from 2 different students as the most basic praying mantis form, the building block if you will. Anyway, it's good to hear you guys familiarity with what I'm learning. I'm looking forward to learning more

    Oh hey, one more question. Sparring is alot of fun, but I know different schools have different rules and levels of extremity kinda... this one guy I know goes to a "United Studios of Self Defense" ( http://www.ussd.com/ ). They apparently spar with helmets and full contact type stuff. He's always getting broken ribs, fingers, spraining stuff, etc.

    At our school it's alot safer. Just gloves and mouthpieces. No face, no groin, light contact. Some students hit a little harder than others, but it's not anything you could really get hurt with. Worst I've done is jammed a finger and a toe there. Anyway, what I'm wondering is... what is sparring like at your school? Do you feel one can benefit fully in a self defense aspect when there are no hits above the shoulders? Is it lulling me into a false sense of security? I block high anyway, cause I know in a real fight it's going to end up there, but I always wonder how much different it will be...
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    In HK, Cantonese is the most common language.

    As far as the sparring, take your time. If they allowed face contact soo early you would be wishing they didnt. It can be hard to trust sometimes, but if you can find it in you to empty your cup and let them teach you... All kinds of good things can happen. Once you have learned what they have to teach, you can then pick and choose what you take to heart and what doesnt fit you.
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    It sounds like a good class (but sparing so soon?).

    Tan tui....originall 10 of them, many styles have more than 10 now. Train them hard and in low stances for strong punches and kicks.

    My teacher is from shaghai and is 64...only been in england for 4.5 years....only knows afew words in english.....So many of us now know loads of mandairn now because of it!!!

    I found it helped as we all had to watch him a lot closer. We now have a few chinese and taiwanese in class training so translation is not a problem.

    My advise...stick with it.
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    what is sparring like at your school? Do you feel one can benefit fully in a self defense aspect when there are no hits above the shoulders? Is it lulling me into a false sense of security? I block high anyway, cause I know in a real fight it's going to end up there, but I always wonder how much different it will be...
    Kind of like at yours, but we are allowed to hit anything with control, except eyes. You can benifit from anything that teaches you something, even if it isn't what your teacher thinks they are teaching. It is only lulling you into a false sense of security if you let your ego get the better of you. Sparring is not fighting. Sparring has rules to some extent. Anything goes in a fight. (mace, broken bottles, ect, don't usually show up in a spar)

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    Ive been considering carrying mace due to how often people get rolled around here...
    Just mace the crowd and pick and choose who to knock out...

    Sparring with us is usually just free wrestling... sometimes we will throw on the gloves and headgear and go at it, but most the time we just free wrestle. Gene has only 1 3/4 years, Myself and CPA have only a few months in SC. Trying to get our locks/throws really nice before we start really working in the punch kick.
    When we do spar however, its 4 oz open finger gloves, and headgear. Full contact. When you get into a real fight, people wont be hitting you softly. The harder contact gets you passed the adrenaline dump.
    It is good, however, for beginners to spar light contact, as to avoid injuries.
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