Cinnabar Palm”, or “Blow of deferred Death”?

[Unmatchable]

Someone on Jarek's board posted:

From the book by Jin Jing Zhong "Training Methods of 72 Arts of Shaolin" (Tanjin, 1934):
“Cinnabar palm” is the soft GONG FU, it trains the inner power and belongs to category YIN. This exercise is also called “The Palm of Plum Blossom”1 (MEI HUA ZHANG) and “Palm of Red Sand” (HONG SHA ZHANG).
…If you are in command of this GONG FU, you need not touch the enemy with hands. You make stroking movements or strike with a palm at some distance and the enemy is severely injured and will surely die in 10-15 days or even in several hours. Being in command of this GONG FU, you must not misuse it in any case. It is a manifestation of guile and ill intentions to use it secretly. It can be used only in extremity to defend your life or the life of your near relatives. Unfounded use of this skill is immoral and disapproved by specialists in WU SHU.”
See in detail here: http://www.kungfulibrary.com/gong-fu-e-magazine.htm

Is it possible in reality and if so, how can it be explained from the scientific point of view? It would be interesting to know if anybody is in command of this technique at the present time. Perhaps, somebody has some knowledge about it and he will be able to answer some questions at least.

P.S. One more resembling method - "One Finger of Chan Meditation". Here a blow is made with a forefinger at some distance, which results in injury of the inner organs or spasms of blood vessels (see ISSUE#2).

Link:http://www.kungfulibrary.com/

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[Unmatchable]

Someone posted this on emptyflower:

There's a guy named Wilhelm Reich Who, started off as Sigmon Freud's assistant physician. Amoung other things he discovered an energy in the body called orgone which is Sexual energy. This is another word for Chi.

Long story short, later in his life he had some weird ideas, one of which was a cloud buster. This was an instrument which could break up clouds using this orgone energy. So Maybe Master Kit knows something we don't. Good to know he has western counterparts.

Just goes to show, anyone can fall off the deep end.

A picture of a cloud buster is on the left of this page.
http://www.orgone.org/"

[IronFist]

I have a book called "72 Consummate Arts of Shaolin" or something like that and I think it has something abou Cinnabar Palm. There's a lot of crazy stuff in that book. Thinks like training your palm by rubbing some sand together in your palms over a bucket of sand. Not hitting the sand, but just getting some of it between your hands and rubbing it or something. I dunno. It's supposed to let you hit people from far away. I haven't looked through that book in a long time, but like I said, there's some crazy stuff in it.

[anton]

Originally posted by IronFist
I have a book called "72 Consummate Arts of Shaolin" or something like that and I think it has something abou Cinnabar Palm. There's a lot of crazy stuff in that book. Thinks like training your palm by rubbing some sand together in your palms over a bucket of sand. Not hitting the sand, but just getting some of it between your hands and rubbing it or something. I dunno. It's supposed to let you hit people from far away. I haven't looked through that book in a long time, but like I said, there's some crazy stuff in it.

Yeah i've got that one too, it's pretty nutty in places. Recommends rubbing one's hands over some fine sand in a plate until one feels tired and increasing the distance b/w hands and sand. When you get up to rubbing your hands 1 foot above the sand and making it move you progress to "iron sand" then iron balls.

Here's a quote: 'A veteran of this Arts can let out Qi to generate "electricity" through his palms'... Hello StarWars

[Cung-Fu]

Sounds like total nonsense to me.

Although I have read some scientific papers on bio-energy emitted from the body, the amount doesn't even come close to causing people to "burst into flames"

[anton]

Originally posted by Cung-Fu
Sounds like total nonsense to me.

Although I have read some scientific papers on bio-energy emitted from the body, the amount doesn't even come close to causing people to "burst into flames"

Well to be fair (and I'm not suggesting that this is any more believable) there's nothing in this book about spontaeneous combustion. here's the quote detailing the effects:

"The main method of Cinnabar-Palm is that of directing inner Qito one's Palms, to cause the opponent to suffer from serious internal-organ injury. At first a manwho is beaten by the Cinnabar Palm does not find the case serious, but a few days later the bright red palm-marks will appear on his body....
...'Wu Xia Painting Collection' in Qing Dynasty states that Shu Yin, who learned the Arts from a Buddhist Monk for twelve years, was taught this consummate skill "Cinnabar-Palm" secretly. Had he touched his opponents' body with his palms, he would have broken the opponent's bones to pieces."

All errors are the original author's.

Sounds like BS to me too. Either way using scientific arguments against people who choose to believe this stuff is probably futile.

[Cung-Fu]

lol

I was being facetious.

[anton]

Originally posted by Cung-Fu
lol

I was being facetious.

heh... i was too tired to pick that up

[SaMantis]

Mmmm, Cinnabar ...


<heads to the mall>

[Meat Shake]

Cinnabar sounds like a place with warm pastries and hard spirits.

[old jong]

I don't know about "cinnabar" but I can tell you that if you eat too many "wunderbar" you will get sick and vomit all over the place!...

[Meat Shake]

Wunderbar?
Sounds like pot brownies to me.

[David Jamieson]

uh, you guys don't wanna be eating cinnabar. lol, it's mercury after all.

anyways, the training method has been confused with something else apparently, or the author has convoluted it with fantasy.

hummphh.

cheers

[old jong]

beuaaarrrk!...

[Meat Shake]

Eesh...
Ill not be having any wunderbars.
Doesnt sound healthy, and the wrapper looks like a butterfinger with down syndrome.