The tenth animal of CLF?

[htowndragon]

i asked some chinese elders that i know what the character "biu" or "biao" means and they couldn't give me a very good description. the idea i got however, is not of a "cub". the mandarin term "biao han" means fierce/powerful/tough man, it is rarely seen as a character by itself. when described, i was getting the idea that it was some sort of long lost wild cat that was in china at some point.

[cjurakpt]

I wonder if the word might have originally meant another type of wildcat, perhaps a kind of lynx.

ocelot - it just has to be an ocelot...I mean, they are just so cute!

[Eric Olson]

Asian golden cat?:

http://www.abf90.dial.pipex.com/bco/asgold.htm

[extrajoseph]

It seems there is no certainty of what biu / biao is. How about snake, what kind of snake (s) of your solo, combined 10 animal forms? Python, cobra, water/sea snake…….. or just any kind?

A biao or biu in Cantones is a species of roe, a small spotted deer. It is one of the 10 CLF animals.

The Chinese character is written with a deer radical on top and four dots below. Haven't got time to locate it for you just right now.

[NGKSMM]

A biao or biu in Cantones is a species of roe, a small spotted deer. It is one of the 10 CLF animals.

The Chinese character is written with a deer radical on top and four dots below. Haven't got time to locate it for you just right now.

Thanks for the reply. You meant the Chinese writing for this CLF animal is this one (1st pix), not this one (2nd pix)?
btw, a spotted deer is commonly call "mui fa luk" in Cantonese.

[CFT]

For the Chinese literate (sorry for those who are not):

麃 - http://www.zdic.net/zd/zi/ZdicE9ZdicBAZdic83.htm
彪 - http://www.zdic.net/zd/zi/ZdicE5ZdicBDZdicAA.htm

1st is associated with deer, horned animal
2nd is associated with the tiger

What character do you use in your lineage?

[Eric Olson]

A biao or biu in Cantones is a species of roe, a small spotted deer. It is one of the 10 CLF animals.

The Chinese character is written with a deer radical on top and four dots below. Haven't got time to locate it for you just right now.

Its this one, right XJ?:

http://www.chinalanguage.com/diction...&encoding=text

or this one?:

http://www.chinalanguage.com/diction...fields=english

[CFT]

Its this one, right XJ?:

http://www.chinalanguage.com/diction...&encoding=text

or this one?:

http://www.chinalanguage.com/diction...fields=english

The 2nd one

[sanjuro_ronin]

Last time I had tea at your place, it tasted all fishy!

It was.

[Ben Gash]

In the King Mui scripts it's http://www.zdic.net/zd/zi/ZdicE5ZdicBDZdicAA.htm
http://www.plumblossom.net/PhotoAlbu...uiscripts.html

[Eric Olson]

In the King Mui scripts it's http://www.zdic.net/zd/zi/ZdicE5ZdicBDZdicAA.htm
http://www.plumblossom.net/PhotoAlbu...uiscripts.html

So who is right? Who has the best evidence? Or are both right, are there 11 animals in CLF?

Discerning CLF players everywhere want to know. .

EO

[lkfmdc]

彪 - http://www.zdic.net/zd/zi/ZdicE5ZdicBDZdicAA.htm

This is the character CTS used, and certainly the movements in the set were more like a tiger than a deer!

[Ben Gash]

So who is right? Who has the best evidence? Or are both right, are there 11 animals in CLF?

Discerning CLF players everywhere want to know. .

EO

Well, that page was written by Chan Yiu Chi. DFW says it's tiger cub, your sifu says it's tiger cub, Mike and Dave say it's tiger cub, so I'm going with tiger cub.

[Eric Olson]

Well, that page was written by Chan Yiu Chi. DFW says it's tiger cub, your sifu says it's tiger cub, Mike and Dave say it's tiger cub, so I'm going with tiger cub.

I see your point but I think that's too small of a sample to truly know what the consensus is.

I'd like to hear more what XJ has to say about this. What he basing his statements on? What is his evidence? Who else agrees with him?

But there is a separate issue as well....if the symbol is indeed the "tiger-cub" or "tiger stripes" symbol...what the hell does it mean? Is it really a tiger or something else? Why would a tiger cub be considered as a separate animal from a tiger? In other words, what were the CLF ancestors thinking with the whole tiger cub thing?

Cheers

EO

[lkfmdc]

what were the CLF ancestors thinking with the whole tiger cub thing?

Chan Heung: "hey, disciples, come over here"

Disciples: "yes sifu?"

CH: "You know, in about a 100 years people in the US will be doing CLF and wont' really know Chinese characters very well."

D: "uh, ok, so?"

CH: "You know that 9 animal set I was working on? Well, 9 isn't a good round number anyway so I was thinking of a 10th animal, right?"

D: "uh, ok, so what are you going to use?"

CH: "Biu!"

(all laugh out loud then go down to the tea house for ha gow and siu mai!)