Why you shouldn't take strength training advice from TMAists

[IronFist]

Big muscles working against each other? Maybe if you're hooked up to an EMS that is forcing the antagonist to contract

IRONY @ that person suggesting taking classes to find out how muscles work

From here:
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question...9000305AAS6kgS

I mean, he got it half right (size alone doesn't determine a muscle's strength; there is also neurological efficiency which is why you can get much stronger without gaining size if you train in a specific manner), but for all the wrong reasons.

This is the kind of thing they teach in TMA schools.

I was told in Karate, Kung fu, and Hapkido classes the weights are bad and big muscles are counter productive to martial arts

I actually believed it for a while

[RWilson]

I am really trying to stay positive for the board. Stop trying to tempt me....the flesh is weak.

[YouKnowWho]

There is no modern weight training method that can help you to develop this skill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NgXae8ApQE

The TCMA uses this training method.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7...adlegtwist.jpg

[RWilson]

There is no modern weight training method that can help you to develop this skill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NgXae8ApQE

The TCMA uses this training method.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7...adlegtwist.jpg

That is a skill though. John. Even if you do that kind of special weight lifting that does not guarantee that you will be able to do it. Only practicing on cooperative and non-cooperative wrestling partners will develop that throw.

[bawang]

There is no modern weight training method that can help you to develop this skill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NgXae8ApQE

The TCMA uses this training method.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7...adlegtwist.jpg

In TCMA, it's not called "strength" training but "Gong" training.

O RLY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PbNpaiIi9I

[YouKnowWho]

That is a skill though. John. Even if you do that kind of special weight lifting that does not guarantee that you will be able to do it. Only practicing on cooperative and non-cooperative wrestling partners will develop that throw.

The same arguement - no matter how much time that you may spend on your heavy bag (ability), it does not guarantee that you will be able to hit your opponent (skill).

In TCMA, a particular skill (50%) will require a partcular ability (50%). Of course you can train this on your training partner. Since it's difficult to have a training partner 24/7, you will need "equipment" to help your training.

If you want to train the ugly side of this move by sit on your opponent's knee joint side way, no training partner would like you to do that. The "equipment will never complain (heavy bag will never complain)".

[RWilson]

The same arguement - no matter how much time that you may spend on your heavy bag (ability), it does not guarantee that you will be able to hit your opponent (skill).

In TCMA, a particular skill (50%) will require a partcular ability (50%). You can train this on your training partner. Since it's difficult to have a training partner 24/7, you will need "equiplent" to help your training.

If you want to train the ugly side of this move by sit on your opponent's knee joint side way, no training partner would like you to do that. The "equipment will never complain".

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/7828/headlock.jpg

I can see your point kind of but...it is much easier to hit someone with a punch than to pull of that throw in sparring. It barely happens in competition I bet. Am I right?

[YouKnowWho]

I can see your point kind of but...it is much easier to hit someone with a punch than to pull of that throw in sparring. It barely happens in competition I bet. Am I right?

Oneday BK Frantzis asked my teacher about the Taiji "needle at the bottom of the sea", when my teacher explained the application to him, Frantzis suddently moved behind my teacher, gave him a bear hug from behind, and said ,"Now what can you do?" If my teacher was not good in this move (this move was my teacher's trade mark move). My teacher won't be able to take Frantzis down that easy. The bear hug is a very power skill. The person who uses bear hug on you, he has controlled the center part of your body.

All body contact throw that require your back to touch your opponent's chest will give your opponent a chance to use bear hug on you. He can either pick your up, or drag you down. With leg twist, you can "tangle" your leg on your opponent's leg, and use his rooting as your rooting (glue your body on your opponent's body). It's not only an important "defense" skill, it's also a very important "set up" for many other throws.

[MightyB]

I can see your point kind of but...it is much easier to hit someone with a punch than to pull of that throw in sparring. It barely happens in competition I bet. Am I right?

Nah - it happens more than you'd think. Here's a couple of white belts doing it. In Judo, we'd train Uchi Mata to Ouchi Gari, sometimes the Kazushi is strong enough on the reversal that you don't even need to sweep the leg Johnny.

[YouKnowWho]

Nah - it happens more than you'd think. Here's a couple of white belts doing it. In Judo, we'd train Uchi Mata to Ouchi Gari, sometimes the Kazushi is strong enough on the reversal that you don't even need to sweep the leg Johnny.

In Judo, do you allow to twist your right leg on your opponent's right leg? Do you have a name for that? Or is it still called kawazugake?

[Oso]

somebody trollin'

you need power, strength, speed and skill.

sometimes you need skill, speed, strength and power.

i'm not going to rearrange them again.

oh, and stamina/metabolic conditioning

AND, above all: cheat at every opportunity in order to improve your chances for success over your opponent.

cheating probably matters more than all the others.

[Oso]

hey, it's:

[Frost]

you probably shouldnt take it from a guy who weighs about 150 pounds, has never competed in any strength sport and who gets most of his advice from Pavels books

Just for reference my first TCMA master had his guys squatting and benching back in the 70's, he used things like heavy negatives to increase strength before most of us were weigth training........

[RWilson]

you probably shouldnt take it from a guy who weighs about 150 pounds, has never competed in any strength sport and who gets most of his advice from Pavels books

Just for reference my first TCMA master had his guys squatting and benching back in the 70's, he used things like heavy negatives to increase strength before most of us were weigth training........

Pavel's stuff is overpriced for what it is but Pavel himself is a conditioned athlete. You powerlifters think you are the ultimate shiznet when it comes to working out. How many one armed one legged push ups can you do? How many one armed one legged hindu push ups can you do? How many one armed weighted vest rollouts can you do? I am guessing either none for all of those. Point is that powerlifting is for those that do koto like to think out of the box when it comes to using resistance to build strength. But you get to look tough and brag about how your sport is an olympic event.

[Frost]

Pavel's stuff is overpriced for what it is but Pavel himself is a conditioned athlete. You powerlifters think you are the ultimate shiznet when it comes to working out. How many one armed one legged push ups can you do? How many one armed one legged hindu push ups can you do? How many one armed weighted vest rollouts can you do? I am guessing either none for all of those. Point is that powerlifting is for those that do koto like to think out of the box when it comes to using resistance to build strength. But you get to look tough and brag about how your sport is an olympic event.

Actually ours is not an Olympic sport, Olympic lifting is so we cant brag sorry
Although I do have a mean split snatch and powerclean if that helps!

I see no need to do circus acts, I used to do one armed and three finger push ups ,. One leg squats etc, I have most of pavel stuff now I find a better carryover from the the OL and powerlfting stuff, combined with simple jumps, throws, sprints, and I prefer to get my S and C advice from professionals, which I advice everyone here to do