9th Set of CLF Ba Gua Sets

[Fu-Pow]

I have the following BaGua Sets recorded:

1) Ba Gua Sam Kuen
2) Hung Yuen Ba Gua Kuen
3) Dau Fu Ba Gua Kuen
4) Yee Jong Ba Gua Kuen
5) Daai (Ng Ying) Ba Gua Kuen
6) Daht Ting Ba Gua Kuen
7) Siu Ba Gua Kuen
8) Mui Fah Ba Gua Kuen

Does anyone know what the 9th set is? There are supposed to be 8 sides to the Ba Gua and Ba Gua Sam is in the middle of the Ba Gua.

So I think I'm missing the name of one set.

[Ben Gash]

Sorry, In all my lists I've only got 8 listed.

[Fu-Pow]

Are they the same as the ones that I have listed?

[firepalm]

Ba Gua Long

[CLFNole]

Fu-Pow:

Dai Baat Kwa Kuen & Ng Ying Baat Kwa Kuen are two individual sets.

That would make the 9 sets.

Peace.

[extrajoseph]

Lung Ying Baat Kwa Kuen is the missing form you are looking for.

JX

[CLFNole]

Extrajoseph:

I have heard of Lung Ying Baat Kwa or Dragon Baat Kwa but it is a form of Baat Kwa see in Fu Chen Song's Fu Style. I had not heard of this as a CLF set.

I remember seeing Sisuk Howard Choy's list a long time ago and I don't think this one was was part of it. Do some lineages have different baat kwa forms? I don't think many lines outside the family itself have this many baat kwa forms.

Also do you know if they are all considered to be the same level or is there supposed to be some kind of progression from easy to difficult?

Peace.

[extrajoseph]

Some lineage do have a limited number of Baat Kwa form but never the whole nine sets except the Chan Family. Lung Ying Baat Kwa is related to the Qian Gua (the Father or Heaven Trigram) so it is not one easily taught outside the family. As with the 8 trigrams each one has its own quality and it is not classified as being easy or difficult. The teacher after observing your progress will suggest which set you should learn and when that happens it is a previlige position to be in. You don't need all the nine sets, 3 or 4 sets are enough and you should try for the Baat Kwa Sum if you have a chance, because as the name implies, it is the heart of the Baat Kwa forms.

[Fu-Pow]

Have you guys heard of

Da Mui Fa Tai Yan Ba Gua?

I have that on my list, must be in Pinyin.

[redtornado]

I have some info.....I'll be in touch

I see that they have already got it cool...

[Fu-Pow]

So we now have 4 possiblities:

1) Ng Ying and Daai Ba Gua are two different sets (CLF Nole)
2) Lung Ying Ba Gua (XJ)
3) Daai Mui Fah Tai Yan Ba Gua (not sure of source)

So which is it?

Perhaps I'll refer this question to the clfma.com forum.

[CLFNole]

This was the list post by Sisuk Howard Choy from the Chan Family site:

Siu Bak Gwa
Da Bak Gwa
Mui Fa Bak Gwa
Yi Jong Bak Gwa
Dat Ting Bak Gwa
Hung Yan Bak Gwa
Dou Fu Bak Gwa
Ng Ying Da Bak Gwa
Bak Gwa Sum

Maybe some sets have multiple names?

Peace.

[Fu-Pow]

Looks like there is a

Daai Ba Gua

Daai Ng Ying Ba Gua

or as Sifu Choy calls it Ng Ying Da Ba Gua.

That could be where the confusion is.

What people are calling Lung Ying Ba Gua might be Daai Ng Ying Ba Gua.

I'm going to post a list pretty soon of all the form names I have collected and what I believe to be the major forms across all branches. Some branches have their own unique forms or they have changed the name of the forms over time. This makes things very difficult to trace, especially when you can't see the forms to compare.

I've figure out here are basically 4 or 5 categories of CLF Hand forms though:

10-15 Low/Mid Level Hand Forms
(Sup Ji, Ping Kuen, Ping Jaang,etc)
9 Baat Gwa Hand Forms
10-15 Animal Shape Hand Forms
5-6 2 Person Training Forms
5-6 Internal Hand Forms

And that's not even including all the forms that are specific to one branch that most of us have never heard of.

Then you've got all the weapons of course:

Short
Long
Double
Flexible
Exotic (ie farmers hoe, bench, etc)
2 person

I imagine there is even more variation in these then in the hand forms because CLF players would pick up weapons forms from various sources and incorporate it into their curriculum.