Thanks for the reply buddapalm! The system you mention sounds very much like Zi Men Quan but the artical lists the founder as Lo Li Tian. Like Ze Ran Men, there are no set form's and the student is to practice as if writing chinese characters. Some Hakka art's have what is called "ghost writing"(?) in their training and I was wondering if there was a similarity between the two. Again, thanks for the info!