And whats this rubbish about Neijia only using the soft Jin's and Karate the hard one's ?? In Neijia all Jin's are available.

I agree. Let me restate that taiji emphasizes soft jin vs hard jin.

I think the over-riding issue mentioned here from the start was that you can't learn Taiji by studying Karate, that much is total fact.

I never said one can study karate in order to learn taiji. What I did say is that you can study karate to get a better understanding of kicks, punches, and blocks and apply them to taiji (using taiji princiapals).