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    This is the info I have on the topic: One of the 5 tigers of the north was one of these practioners his name was Gu Ruzhang

    Iron Sand Palm and whose palms were red. Hence the name, Cinnabar Iron Sand
    Palm. Gu Ruzhang's Iron Sand Palm was called Black Sand Palm or Hei Sha Zhang.
    Naturally, Gu Ruzhang's palms were black. Both Iron Sand Palms are known as
    Poison Sand Palm or Tu Sha Chang. The training methods for both Cinnabar and
    Black Iron Sand Palms are similar.
    > The first stage - Strengthen the palm by striking green peas. This is to numb
    the nerve endings in the palm. Later, the peas are replaced by or iron chips or
    iron ball bearing. These iron pellets become imbedded into the flesh.
    > The second stage - The palms are thrust into hot sand to further strengthen
    them.
    > The third stage - Diluted poison is added to the iron pellets. With time, the
    poison dose is increased slowly in concentration while the body builds immunity
    towards the poison.
    > After drilling in each stage, herbs are prepared to nurse the hands to prevent
    injury. Special herbal liquids are used to reduce swelling and alleviate pain.
    Sometimes the pain was so great that practitioners would turn to western drugs
    such as opium and heroin to kill the pain. Herbs also play an important role in
    the last stage, since herbs prevent the body from absorbing too much of the
    toxic poison. The difference between the Cinnabar Iron Sand Palm and Black Iro>
    n Sand Palm is the type of poison used in the training. As the fighter strikes
    his opponent, the poison is transferred from the palm into the opponent. The
    opponent usually dies because of the poison. Many times blisters and welts would
    developed and would give the appearance of a snakebite. Hence the name, Poison Hand

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    That's just silly. Any poison that is powerful and concentrated enough to kill an opponent through hitting him or her would have killed the practitioner long before.
    The cinnabun palm is deadly, especially when combined with the tomato kick. - TenTigers

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    Who knows but the style did exist.......

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    Most of this info relates to the 1928 comp in Nanjing but as this thread is on the sand palm here is some more info. Gu Ruzhang was one of the last masters of this style, take it for what its worth.

    This information was gathered together by Robert Louie from various sources.


    When the audience saw that Gu Ruzhang was matched against the Cinnabar Master,
    the fight was titled, Black Iron Sand Palm Master verses Red Iron Sand Palm
    Master. The Red Cinnabar Iron Sand Palm Master used his Bagua techniques to
    circle Gu Ruzhang and looked for an opening. When the Red Cinnabar Iron Sand
    Palm Master attacked, Gu Ruzhang avoid the deadly red palm and counter-attacked.
    Within three moves Gu Ruzhang struck his opponent with his Black Iron Sand Palm
    and knocked his opponent down. On his opponent's chest, was Gu Ruzhang's black
    palm imprint. Gu Ruzhang's opponent was quickly escorted off the stage and was
    treated for the poison.
    > As the tournament got neared its end, the fights became even more violent and
    bloody. When there were only thirteen contestants left, the government officials
    stopped the tournament. Death would result if the tournament was allowed to
    continue and that would not have served the country's needs. The government
    declared the last thirteen fighters as China's Best and were called `The
    Thirteen Champions of All China'. The thirteen champions voted among themselves
    and agreed that Gu Ruzhang was the tournaments best fighter. Many of the
    champions felt that Gu Ruzhang skills were equal to the last famous Black Iron
    Sand Palm master, Zhao Yijian, who exceeded Gu Ruzhang by one generation.
    > The Five Tigers from the North
    > As a result of the First National Tournament in Nanjing, 1928, General Zhang
    Zhiqiang appointed the five top masters from the tournament to serve as
    instructors for the government province schools. Li Jishen, a top government
    official for Guangdong and Guangxi Provinces, wanted to strengthen the army and
    establish a National Arts program for morning exercises. He asked General Zhang
    Zhiqiang if he could return to Canton with the top five masters. General Zhang
    approved the request. The five masters were Gu Ruzhang of Northern Shaolin and
    Cha Styles, Wan Laisheng of Northern Shaolin and Spontaneous Boxing Styles, Fu
    Zhensong of Bagua Style, Wang Shaozhou of Northern Shaolin and Cha Styles, and
    Li Xianwu of Northern Shaolin and Spontaneous boxing Styles. These men are
    recorded in the text, Wu Lin Chang Ku, as the `Five Tigers heading South of the
    River'. Many scholars simply refer to them as `The Five Tigers from the North
    who went South'. When the announcement was made officially, Gu Ruzhang was
    traveling all over Chiangnan and spreading the Northern Shaolin style. He was
    instructed to go south and represent the government as an instructor in the
    Guangdong Central National Arts Province School in Canton. The chief army
    official was Li Jishen. During this time, Guangdong and Guangzhou Provinces'
    martial arts schools were ninety percent southern styles. It was very difficult
    for a northern stylist to make a living unless he was exceptionally good. With
    the encouragement from Zhang Zhiqiang, Li Jishen appointed Wan Laisheng, who was
    a graduate from Beijing University, to be the head of both Central National Arts
    Provinces Schools and Gu Ruzhang to be in charge of the Central National Arts
    Department in Guangdong Province.
    > Wan Laisheng ordered Wang Shaozhou to be head of the Guangxi Provincial
    School. Since this was the first school to be set up, Wan Laisheng requested
    that all five champions assist Wang Shaozhou in setting up a standard martial
    arts program. At the Guangxi Provincial School, the masters there agreed that
    the basic standard sets would be Lin Bo from Master Wu Zhiqing, who was a master
    of Cha and Short Strike Style and Ten row Tan Tui which was already a standard
    set for Jing Wu Physical Association. While Gu Ruzhang stayed at the Guangxi
    Provincial School, he learned Cha Style from Qian Zhansheng. Gu Ruzhang became
    very intere> sted in the history of Cha Style since it was originally taught at
    the Shaolin Monastery and then disappeared after the destruction of the
    monastery in 1732.

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    I would be interested in what exactly these "various sources" were. While much of it does appear to be historical record, the entire first part description of the fight sounds like total malarky. The idea of shards of metal being imbedded into the skin sounds again, like B.S. How could you train with shards of metal in your skin? Heck, anyone who's gotten a steel wool splinter in their finger (you know, they're so small, you can't see them, but they hurt like mad...and you gotta keep touching it!) realizes what total crap that story is. Could you imagine your entire hand having those? How do you go to the bathroom? YIKES!
    Y'know, sometimes you have to take a step back, and really put yourself in their place. Then you would see just how ridiculous it all is.

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    Sure does sound crazy, ouch

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    That sounds more like movie kungfu than actual facts. Fairy tales mixed with truth.

    While the 5 northern tigers did exits and travelled south (accord. to YangJwing Ming book's and also from oral tradition). They met up with the masters of southern kungfu and togther they opened the National Kuoshu Training Center. The southern masters were-
    Chang Lai Chun (white eyebrow)
    Lam Yue kwai (dragon)
    Lam Sai Wing (hung ga) Wong fei Hung's disciple. The fat butcher in the Jetli
    movies
    Tam Sam (choyli fut)
    and I think Lam Yum Tong? (mok ga)

    Chang Lai Chun was intructor at the Wong Po Military Academy (the national army acedemy located in Guangzhou) during the Republican Era. the equivalent of West Point. His first student was a Colonel or General? Liu Jung Yan who died in Nanking fighting the Japenese. Lam Yue Kwai also shared this honor as instructor at the military acedemy.

    Lam Sai wing, well, his reputation and lineage speaks for itself. Tam Sam from what i heard, was very well known for his iron broom skill, and was very popular among the provinces around Guangzhou.
    Last edited by mung foo; 03-21-2006 at 12:47 PM.

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