The Wind

[magic_dewdrops]

My teacher says that I am slightly more advanced in my skill of punching than others beginning in martial arts, because there is wind behind my punches. When I throw a punch, my target feels a sweep of wind over them. It is from punching hard and then immediatly relaxing. Is he correct? Does the wind behind my punch really bring me to an advantage?

[fa_jing]

Well that's a bit "mystical" way to put it, but I think I know what he's getting at. Many arts train their punches to be able to put out a candle flame from a few inches away or more. It is the wind that your punch creates that puts the candle out.

[No_Know]

Not an advantage because of it. It indicates your ability level. which you teacher is calling passed someone who starts--some skill there.

It seems-ish.

[Odin of Wei]

Originally posted by fa_jing
Well that's a bit "mystical" way to put it, but I think I know what he's getting at. Many arts train their punches to be able to put out a candle flame from a few inches away or more. It is the wind that your punch creates that puts the candle out.

I though that was with palm strikes...

If you cup your hand it sort of makes like a sucshion, right?
Wouldn't that affect anything?

[No_Know]

fa_jing. It might be different winds. Hard and soft punches can extinguish the candle flame. But degrees of hard or soft make different wind. If Higher stronger wind puts it out but so can lesser. Perhaps it is not wind alone if at all that extinguishes the candle.

One called Odin of Wei, cupping the hand or sweeping to make a wind is like cheating. And cheating you do not achieve-ish. If you can do a normal strike and put out the candle flame then perhaps your strike is better. Different punches, finger strikes, palm heel, elbow knee ball of foot straight-on-kick...can extinguish some candle flame.

Also pole slice, or poke.

[Ford Prefect]

I prefer to measure strikes by their effect on sparring partners or heavy bags. Just like when I played baseball, I measured my hitting by... well hitting rather than creating wind with the bat.

[ElPietro]

My "wind" can be deadly on a high protein diet.

[rubthebuddha]

that's what you get for substitooting whey with taco bell.

[No_Know]

A baseball is built differently than a Human being. Hitting a baseball would be different-ish. The baseball is expected in the strikezone. The baseball is not likely to be pitched for you to hit when not on a baseball field.~

When hitting a baseball hopefully you are using a bat. Unless you connect Every time you evaluate your hitting by your misses or swinging at Air. You are improving when you hit more ball than air.

Hitting a heavybag is not the same as hitting a person perhaps. While a person's torso can be more concentrated the ****her one goes from the top that changes on a person, unlike with a heavybag. The heavy bag like the ball is in a zone with little likeliness of being out of that zone. People unlike heavy bags or pithced baseballs do not deliberately nor accidentally deflect your strike.

That you don't see value in it is fine~. Perhaps that is not enough to infer that there is little value there.~

[Odin of Wei]

Originally posted by No_Know
One called Odin of Wei, cupping the hand or sweeping to make a wind is like cheating. And cheating you do not achieve-ish. If you can do a normal strike and put out the candle flame then perhaps your strike is better. Different punches, finger strikes, palm heel, elbow knee ball of foot straight-on-kick...can extinguish some candle flame.

Also pole slice, or poke.

How could a palm strike be cheating?

It's one of the most powerful strikes!

[Ford Prefect]

Thanks, No know. I'll let my old boxing team in on the candle training method.

[Ironwind]

By wind in your strike it shows that thier is energy beyond the strike. When you strike without energy passing through you all really do is put your fist on your target. The wind indicates that your strike will carry on below the skin. When you strike tenseness should occur only at the open door. The limp limb will move faster through the air and the imediate tenseness will add impact after velocity. The force from them both combined will put the energy of your blow through your opponent. Also aiming beyond the visisble flesh will help with that in a less medaforical way. In striking this is one way of the Ironwind Clan ( a group of martial artist of different arts who train and theorize together on the perfection of martial arts).

[No_Know]

Awesome Though No_Know which method beyond punch at flame level a lit candle. For benefit, when consistant extinguishing of the flame (ten times within five punches each time), increase the distance slightly until same level of constant. When they or whoever can extinguish with the level of constant I mentioned from three feet or so, there should be something more to their punch.

Whether or not you were being sarcastic, besides thinking of it as a joke (funny)


One called Odin of Wei "How could a palm strike be cheating?..."

You mentioned cupping the hand of the palm strike to make suction or wind to extinguish the flame. But if you would not cup your palm when striking a person you are cheating your development at that strike by changing it just to extinguish the flame. As you would strike a person you should strike towards the wick.

Phoenix Eye fist and Dragon head fist are punces that can work with candle practice.

[Odin of Wei]

Originally posted by No_Know
Awesome Though No_Know which method beyond punch at flame level a lit candle. For benefit, when consistant extinguishing of the flame (ten times within five punches each time), increase the distance slightly until same level of constant. When they or whoever can extinguish with the level of constant I mentioned from three feet or so, there should be something more to their punch.

Whether or not you were being sarcastic, besides thinking of it as a joke (funny)


One called Odin of Wei "How could a palm strike be cheating?..."

You mentioned cupping the hand of the palm strike to make suction or wind to extinguish the flame. But if you would not cup your palm when striking a person you are cheating your development at that strike by changing it just to extinguish the flame. As you would strike a person you should strike towards the wick.

Phoenix Eye fist and Dragon head fist are punces that can work with candle practice.

I did it with my palm...whatever.

[No_Know]

One called Wind of Odin, reaffirms that candle practice can be done with a palm.

How far away was the palm from the wick when you extinguished the flame with your palm. Do you still do that. Have you tried from ****her away? If so, how far?

Good for you. :-)