If it looks like a duck.....

[Vash]

Originally posted by EarthDragon
merryprankster, if you went to chinese resturant to eat some real chinese food and the cook was mexican you would stay?
obviously you guys have never eaten authentic cusine. In NY we are very race oriented, and a good resturant hires people that are suposed to be there. maybe in the midwest you guys dont know the difference i dont know but i feel sorry for you , go get a real brittish mexican tamala's

master killer, I left the ACMAF not the system. you can still work for the company and not the office.

Holy ****ing ****. Not only are you clearly announcing your pride as a ****ing racist, you're also saying that the citizens of New York are racist.

Sweet ****ing sesame street. I pity those who study under you. Whatever your martial skill (which is not being discussed for the pro or the con here) your personality is most obviously toxic, your views of humanity scornful, and your ***** small.

You are no different from the confederate flag waving, "let's lynch the dude" freaks we have in abundance here in the south. And that attitude just described is the end of the road on which your views start.

[red5angel]

Its seems a little racist.

just a little.....

[red5angel]

I'm starting to think Tit Sa and ED are the same person.

[CaptinPickAxe]

In NY we are very race oriented, and a good resturant hires people that are suposed to be there

There are laws against this. EQUAL OPPORTUNITY.

[Merryprankster]

Originally posted by EarthDragon
merryprankster, if you went to chinese resturant to eat some real chinese food and the cook was mexican you would stay?
obviously you guys have never eaten authentic cusine. In NY we are very race oriented, and a good resturant hires people that are suposed to be there. maybe in the midwest you guys dont know the difference i dont know but i feel sorry for you , go get a real brittish mexican tamala's

Mystified.

I'll be glad to let any of my friends disabuse you of the idea that I don't know my food....

I don't care who cooks it as long as it's right. Would I leave if I saw a mexican cooking the food? Hell no. I'd leave if the food was bad or wrong.

[intimidation]

If I saw latin people at a Dim Sum place it WOULD seem odd. Not that they can't do it, but it would be suspicious, but you'd have to taste it to find out.

[red5angel]

but it would be suspicious

why because they aren't chinese?! Don't be obtuse!

[intimidation]

I guess not really suspicous, if I could even tell the difference

[red5angel]

really dug yourself in deep on this one didn't you Earth Dragon.

[yenhoi]

Last time I checked, Americans spoke American.

You, red5, moo.

[rogue]

In regards to language it doesn't matter as long as the idea isn't lost in the translation. Look at how the word uke is now used to mean "block" in most karate schools. Sometimes the original name is conveying something that doesn't translate into a single English word or phrase.

[red5angel]

dang dude....

Nothing with breathing, or biomechanics as we understand it. I just don't believe in the mystical Qi

[Fu-Pow]

Originally posted by TaiChiBob
Greetings..

We will all drink the same chemical compound, H2O.. many cultures will call it different things, some names we won't understand.. but, when we are handed the glass of water, the words are no longer necessary.. So it is with the lessons, they are learned through doing, not hearing..

The appreciation of Tea may lead me to the ritual of the Tea Ceremony.. but, the ritual of the Tea ceremony will not necessarily lead me to an appreciation of Tea..

Be well...

(Nelson Muntz)Haha...your example betrays your own point. Western scientific CULTURE calls it H20 ie 2 Hydrogen atoms and 1 Oxygen molecules. These were discovered by use of the scientific method and unique western historical events. You would have to know something about Western culture to know why we call it H20.

The Chinese have another name for water. I forget the phonetics but it is composed not of a chemical formula but a little stylized picture of a stream or something. Maybe there's a little story behind the character, a little moral lesson.

Granted water is water and we all make use of it in the same way (nice try at a little zen parable BTW.) But the unless we understand the cultural context we would have no idea that we were even talking about. If you gave an alien a glass of water and glass of poison that looked like water and they were labeled H20 and Poison he'd drink either one thinking they're both water and the symbols on the glass would be meaningless. Only if he understood the context of the symbols would he know which one to drink.

Convention-al knowledge is not useless. But I agree we must not mistake the forest for the trees.

[Fu-Pow]

Originally posted by rogue
In regards to language it doesn't matter as long as the idea isn't lost in the translation. Look at how the word uke is now used to mean "block" in most karate schools. Sometimes the original name is conveying something that doesn't translate into a single English word or phrase.

Exactly my point. Look at the abuse of the word CHI for christ's sake. Everyone takes it to mean what they want it to mean.

[EarthDragon]

1- Ying Mian Tou Chui

2- Kao Shen Bi Chui

3- Dun Shen Kua Chui

4- Nian Shou (na) Xiong Chui

5-8 Shuang Xi Liang Zhou Si Chui
(Shuang Qi Shuang Zhou)

BTW- this list comes originally from Fan Xudong via Wang Yongchun.

This is what I mean. these techniques can be translated to 3 different things. To know thier original meaning you must have a firm grasp on the language in which they are written. If all you care about is fighting and trying to beat people up then you are missing a major part of your art.