Fighting in the mount?

[rogue]

G-I, you mean you haven't met the right male? Or something else? ;)

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[Watchman]

Hey Vankuen! How have you been?

>>>thats the exact same thing that most BJJ'ers will tell you to do as well, minus the wing chun terminology.<<<

Yup, you're right...and I didn't even realize it until Ryu posted a mount escape sequence on the main forum. If you understand the principles of body movement and of the environment you're in, you'll come up with the most efficient way.

I think the biggest difference between the two is the fact that since Wing Chun is NOT a grappling art (big revelation there!), my goal is to look for windows of opportunity to escape the position to continue the fight - NOT to try for submissions, or to stay in the ground environment.

>>>Styles put aside, theres only so many things one can do<<<

Exactly! The mount in and of itself is meant to be a dominant, fight-ending position. There is no "quick", or "magic", solution to get out. Pat answers like groin grabs, hair pulling, eye-gouging, and such can't be a guarantee.

>>>The only thing you have to watch out for is the timing, if the guys already using your head as a basketball, its hard to start your schimmy up, because you will have to cover your head as to not get hit, and that will then eliminate the seung jaam sau into the the thighs to help the sliding up.<<<

You're right on that point. If they are in full ground and pound effect, sticking your elbows down into their thighs will get your teeth knocked out. I've found that shoving one hand down into their knee while bridging up to make their hips come forward while I use the other arm to cover helps disrupt the rain of blows so I can start looking for my escape.

>>>Who in the Wing Chun world trains for this,and how?help straighten me out!
I'm looking at you,Watchman.<<<

Mikey: I'm not too familiar with other Wing Chun schools or lineages outside of what I see in magazines, but ground escapes have always been a part of what my sifu has taught us ever since I started training under him in 1992 (before I ever heard of a Gracie or knew what the terms "guard" and "post" meant). My sifu felt that reality dictated that no fighter is perfect, and there is an eventuality you may find yourself in a supine position so it was a good idea to train to get yourself out of it.

It's really all in the approach. Since Wing Chun is not a grappling art, there is no way you can predict all of the different positiong, locking, and submission opportunites that a grappler may or not have (unless you took up a grappling art). What sets Wing Chun apart is it's heavy counter-grappling component, meaning it's unique flexibility and principles of movement.

The biggest mistakes that most non-grappling trained fighters make is giving up a position that allows the grappler to sink in his moves. The key is in utilizing the principle of "Face the Form", meaning you never give up your center, on your feet OR on the ground. You need to continually rotate toward them every time they move and use your feet to shove your hips out along the ground the get them to shift weight so you can find your doorway out. Continual movement always.

As far as my personal training goes...no, I have yet to have the opportunity to toe to toe with a really seasoned,experienced BJJ player. We have invited the local BJJ club over to play, but they haven't worked up the motivation yet. I have made a couple of aquantainced in the local university wrestling team, and have taken the mat with them on a few occasions working escapes from clinches, takedown attempts, and the mount. Mount escapes ain't easy.




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