yin bagua xu shi xi NEW WEBSITE! READ!

[blacktaoist]

no im not mad that im no longer a part of your discussion board, im mad that you kicked me out for reasons that were left unanswered. how was i lying, what was i lying about? you said i wasn't who i said i was, and i gave you, the black taoist, my sifus cell phone number and email and asked you to contact him yourself.

I already told you why I put you out. So move on because I have. If you want to come back and join my group, then you are welcome too.

you say that no one from my pai has stepped up, if you think this, how come maoshan learned from he jin han for a while? (in a long ago post i read that you did). if our kung fu is so inadequate, how come maoshan bothered to learn it?

I don’t know where you are getting your information. But I never learned Ba Gua Zhang from He Jin Han or would I want too! Every Ba gua teacher I learned from were from Beijing China.

Maoshan and I never claim to learn from He Jin Han “EVER.” Now you see this is just what I’m talking about Jason you are inventing stuff. I never once said your kung fu was inadequate, my Opinions are the individuals claiming to be masters, and grandmasters behind your system are inadequate in utilizing their style martial functions!

As for your little lesson on Philosophy I have not the time to debate with you on some thing I already know.

Kid the bottom line is everything in this world is based on the “LAW OF KARMA”, KARMA is a universal principle known as “CAUSE AND EFFECT”. For every action, there is a reaction.

Ok that my free philosophy lesson for today, now meditates on that and hopefully you will get a good spiritual reaction by taking action.

Later
BT

[blacktaoist]

Jason I e-mail Xu LaoShi again and forward him your Sifu Chinese name. From Xu e-mail replies, Xu LaoShi write that your Sifu visit him once two years ago that’s ALL. He also said your teacher Chou Yi Ching visit Ba Gua Zhang teacher Zhu Bao Zhen too.

By the way do your teacher have a website?

BT

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BlackTaoist -

I've heard your bagua tapes are pretty good too. They are on my long list of martial arts videos I need to watch. Too many tapes, not enough time or $$$.

Thanks.

Dave

[htowndragon]

From_:_ Eugene Chou/TXMTSP <EChou@ftpc.fpcusa.com>
Sent_:_ Tuesday,_May_25,_2004_9:26_AM
To_:_ 'Jason Liao' <hwangfeihong03@hotmail.com>
Subject_:_ RE:
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Jason:

I have called master Xu._ He still remembers me._ Me and my Kung Fu brother
visited him several days_ last time._ And my younger brother has chance to
see him in Bajin during the coming week.

He has no objection for posting website address._ Besides, it is Liang
Peng's(master Xu's student) request._ We are just helping._ He is glad
people can see the English Version Web.

He also mentioned working on the book writing and some Kung Fu CD making
(Chin-Na, Flipping and a lot of Chen Taichi Stuff).

Black Taoist is welcomed to verify with Master Xu.

Post this.

Eugene



no my sifu does not have a website, he does not teach openly. he went to china with his kung fu brothers in search for the 3 lost sets of our 8 gong chuan.

i will find the thread which maoshan stated that he learned from he jing han

[maoshan]

You really want it don’t you?

OK, you got it.

(ok so you say i copied jareks page, i thought that was over with because i showed you, highlighted, capitalized and all the psot where i said, i got this from jareks site.)

To begin, no you didn’t. I recognized what you wrote and pulled your card.
Next, you pulled pieces from what was written to justify your claim. Next, Those methods, which you didn’t even present right, are from the Fan Style not Gong Bao Tian.
And last, I have all the post and one hell of a memory, so you need to stop playing yourself.

(no im not mad that im no longer a part of your discussion board, im mad that you kicked me out for reasons that were left unanswered. how was i lying, what was i lying about?)

Read above again. Also, which is the main reason, you were too disrespectful along with your lies. A few people tried to talk to you, but were adamant with your stand and as a result you got kicked out.

(you said i wasn't who i said i was, and i gave you, the black taoist, my sifus cell phone number and email and asked you to contact him yourself. you say me and jost talk alike. no we dont. he is a lot less hot headed than i am. but if you still insist we talk alike, we are like brothers, hell we are kung fu brothers, and we are close, maybe thats why.)

That’s what I said in my last post. Are you paying attention? And it really doesn’t matter because both of you were put out.

(you say that no one from my pai has stepped up, if you think this, how come maoshan learned from he jin han for a while? (in a long ago post i read that you did). if our kung fu is so inadequate, how come maoshan bothered to learn it?)

Now you’re going to stop this right now. Nowhere have you ever read that BT or I learned Gong Bao Tian Ba-Gua. If I did, it would be from Huang Zi Cheng who I feel is the best representative of that branch of Ba-Gua. No one in our crew has studied it. We have friends and associates that have but that’s as far as it goes.
I think your getting confused with He Jin Bao, who I did learn from for a time.

(if you trully practice the internal, your skill wil only increase exponentially throughout your life, so i wont be taking advantage of an "old man".)

Explain this statement. How can you take advantage when you can’t even step up to the plate? Also, unless you’re some prodigy, you’re still too young and inexperienced to make any kind of noise worth paying attention to.

(i have nothing against you personally, and you probably are a cool guy when your not on these discussion forums, but i was ****ed when you started calling me a liar, even though i proved that i wasn't.)

No you didn’t. The why’s are above.

(i understand perfectly, you have not yet entered the door of bagua. you give me the impression of a street fighter.)

How do you come to this conclusion? Because I’m not humble? Because I don’t want to talk philosophy? Because I want to get to the meat of the matter?

("chan chuan wei yi" you do not yet understand this concept, and therefore you are still practicing "external" bagua.)

Exactly what does this saying translate to in English?
External Ba-Gua? I know nothing about it. Oh I’ve seen a lot of it, but I know nothing about it. That’s simply the shape. I first learned the essence; from there it was given shape.

(you talk about keeping it real, if you want to keep it 100% real you might as well just buy a gun.)

Again, you know nothing outside of a book. A gun is not as dangerous as the man pulling the trigger. What do you do if you run out of bullets? Ba-Gua is more than just fighting to me; I’ve been able to apply it to almost every aspect of my life. How? Only time will teach you that and only if you truly learn and train it will you know how.
You don’t like our attitude, too bad, but do you really think that has any bearing on our ability because we don’t play the commercial political game? Than you haven’t even entered the external door yet thus showing further proof of your inexperience in the world of martial arts. You want to think you’re knowledgeable but its just words when you have no practical understanding, which comes from, experience which, again, you lack.

(my southern mantis si gung henry poo yee is at the height of kung fu skill. has your bagua reached the level where you can cross hands with him? can your palm match his?)

I don’t know. I don’t claim to be the best, I’m still learning. Would I test it? **** right I would. How do you know where you are if you don’t test it? You call me a street fighter but you have no Idea how I fight. I will tell you this much, I don’t like eclectic styles, I don’t box and I hate kickboxing so what does that leave me to fight with?

(i dont care if your bagua is usable on the street. my bagua has been used on the street ever since my mom moved us over here to ft collins colroado and i had to deal with the god**** KKK *******s almost everyday at school)

On this I truly feel for you. I went through that same BS in high school.

(my bagua works for me when i need it at this point.)

But I will tell you this, because this I know, most of them can’t fight and they come en mass. This is a great time to perfect some techniques. I did.

(kung fu is to improve oneself, its a life art, and if you practice it only for fighting you might as well go learn street fighting or kickboxing, which is what i think what you call "keeping it real".)

I already told you what Ba-Gua is to me before, but let’s talk about keeping it real.
Prior to the 1920’s 99.99% of the reason people learned martial arts was for fighting. If you believe anything other than that then you’re just about the worst victim of commercial propaganda I’ve ever seen. Later on in life a few woke up to the reality of the spiritual and conducted themselves that way
Question: Were the top known masters of that time street fighters or highly enlightened ones that transcended this plane of reality? We all know that the answer is no to both ends of the spectrum. Self-defense was/is the primary goal. It’s the refinement of abilities is what makes the difference between a street fighter and one of skill.

(maybe its because your from the rough side of new york, but then again houston isn't all that "sweet" either. you practice bagua only to fight.)

Again, you know nothing about me. What we discuss on the net, is only a small part of what I practice and teach. Fighting is just the beginning, and then the real battle begins. You have no idea. Maybe one day you will.

(so what happens if one day everyone owns a gun and no one walks around without one anymore? will you stop practicing bagua then?)

Money, where I come from, that’s not one day, It is NOW. And I’ve already answered this question. I love this art far more than you’ll ever know.

(my si di jost got mad because he says you guys dissed on him for wanting to talk philosophy. how can you know how to fight if you do not know the philosophy of bagua? how can you fight without knowing theory and principles?)

Because that’s all that most of these Internet warriors want to do. If you can apply this philosophy in a practical way, cool, but most can’t. We deal with tried and true. Most talk about things they’ve read in a book, apply it to some scenario concocted in their minds and presents it to us as if it were real. We, having lived the life, the proverbial “ Thrill of victory and the agony of defeat”, have enough experience to know the fake from the real.
We walk streets where you could just get killed everyday just for being there. Oh, we got a good handle on this, guy. A theory is just that until you make it real, other than that it’s just short of fantasy which we have no time for.

(the movements in bagua are not movements that you just take out and throw out at people in the street. it is not the movement, its what is going on inside. the movements dont matter on the outside, because if you dont understand the movement then you will not be able to use it (maybe if you are bigger than the other person you can use it externally, but it wont work if hte otehr person is bigger than you). a judo master once asked my great kung fu uncle wang ming che of sho san gong bao tian bagua in kaoshiung how he got away form his judo grasp, he replied,"internal uses intent, not power!" power comes form intent, and if the intent does not lead the power then you are not practicing kung fu, you are practicing blank movements.)

Kid, What the hell are you talking about?
Are you trying to teach us? Both of us have been doing Ba-Gua longer than you’ve been alive. In my case, almost twice that amount of time. Why did you change the topic anyway? When it was about your character and the lies you’ve told.
And by the way, BT wrote to and received a letter from master Xu on this topic. While it is true that they met once 2yrs ago, they are not friends nor did he ask a favor of him recently. They’ve had no contact since that time. So again, this is all about you and your need for attention.
Check this out; you made the statement of BT stirring up problems. Keep this clear, the only reason we have responded to this thread is because you involved us with your false claim. Other than that we would have said nothing to you.
Train more and find yourself.

[htowndragon]

and when and where in my original post did i involve you? my sifu asked me to post the link, so i did. i did not start anything

[blacktaoist]

Ok guys lets move on.

There a old saying the late Master B.P. Chen use to say: No ones wrong, No ones right. Jason you are young and still have much to learn. You are a young martial art brother to us, so I guess we have to have patience with you. Believe me when I tell you I truly respect a young cat like you studying Ba Gua Zhang

I've heard your bagua tapes are pretty good too. They are on my long list of martial arts videos I need to watch. Too many tapes, not enough time or $$$.

Looking_ Up

Being that you don't have enough money to buy one of my Yin Ba Gua instructional videos, I send you the video free. Just e-mail me your mailing address where I have to send the tape too you

[count]

That's really cool Novell. Very generous. Sorry I haven't called this month. Just not working out here in CA right now.

Did anyone look at Master Xu's Chen clips at his site? I can't believe what he's giving away for free. Imagine what the DVD will be like.

[blacktaoist]

What’s up count?

Where the hell you been hiding…Hahaha

That's really cool Novell. Very generous.

Well count you know I don’t practice Ba
Gua zhang for the money, being that it seem some cats must think that…hahaha

On the real I’m not looking for students or a big name in BaGuaZhang Martial art circle, because if I was, I sure as hell be playing the Chinese internal Martial Art commercial political game….

Anyway I give you a call this week

[Stacey]

why all the fuss?

The guy on the website looks like crap. Your average theatre major with basic understanding of the Alexander method has better posture. His stances aren't great either. If you loaded him up with weight, his hips would buckle. He's a big guy, so I'm sure he can throw around most chinese who go to him with ingrained respect and fear.

no disrespect for him personally, if this is Blacktaoists teacher, then its strance that your posture and fighting application is better than your teacher's, maybe they need new photos on the site.

[htowndragon]

stacey-

that master trains 8 hours a day, and form what i heard he broke a K-1 fighters leg one time. you say his posture sucks, well look at wang shu jin. that guy is big, a lot bigger than xu lao shi, and his outter posture probably looks worse than master xu. but does that matter? after practicing martial arts for a while you look past the outter, and you can see the "power" within each movement. as my sifu says, "the movements in between each posture is a lot more important than the posture itself, you cannot use the posture if your transition sucks ass."

southern mantis postures look like crap, does that mean its not usable? wushu people have pretty postures, can they use it?

[blacktaoist]

Stacey,

You still around KFO, I have to give you mad respect you are truly a fan of my, You still got my old logo and Website address at the bottom of your post, Thanks for the free Marketing no wonder I’m getting all them hits on my Website...Haha

Stacey if you ever in New York City, you are welcome to get a few months of free lessons from me, I mean **** I have to do something being that you been marketing my website to a global network of thousands of dedicated martial art enthusiasts for free for a few years now.

no disrespect for him personally, if this is Blacktaoists teacher, then its strance that your posture and fighting application is better than your teacher's, maybe they need new photos on the site.

Stacey you have a right to your Opinion. All I can tell you if you ever go to Beijing China, go pay Master Xu Shi Xi a visit, the man is all game (No nonsense, real Ba Gua martial applications)

Stacey you have a right to your Opinion, I see no disrespect on your part, you just posting your viewpoint. Its all good, But I know what time it is With Master Xu because I trained with the man while I was in Beijing China.

I can tell you if you ever go to Beijing China, go visit Master Xu Shi Xi, I even hook it up if you like. And you see that the man is all Ba Gua Zhang martial function, not just talking all theory, but he puts the Ba Gua zhang theory in to real time action.

I have mad video footage when Xu would come to my Hotel where I stayed to train me at night, and we would workout in-till midnight, The Man would throw me from one side of the room to the other side of the room with no problem, and you don’t have to believe me, but I was not holding back any blows, my attacks was aggressive and not rehearsed I came at the man with full power to try and knock him out.

Why?

Because he told me too through his student who translated for me, and said, Novell teacher Xu wants you to attack and don’t hold back, Well in the end I wish I did hold the hell back, because the man can hit very, very, Hard, in other words his Fa-Jing is no ****ing joke!!

I encounter So-called Ba gua Zhang Masters who meaning of Fa-Jing and function of it is to be able to push back a individual about ten feet back or have them Flying through the air as many seem to presently believe.

But that’s not real Fa-jing in my opinion, Real Fa-Jing is to be able to strike a individual with your technique whatever that may be, and you know for sure that the force of your blow is going to drop a cat for real.

They’re not flying in the air, or falling backward ten feet and ****. When your hit by someone who has the real fa-Jing skills, your going to fall&hit the ground right where you were standing, and you will be unable to get up for a while.

Stacey you don’t have to believe me. Master Xu has this kind of skill, he may not look like much in his photos to some individuals, but let that man hit you and you see and feel just what I’m talking about. I already been there, done that a few times with the man, so you don’t have to take my word for it, go visit the man and I bit for sure you feel what I felt!

Now as for who my Ba Gua Zhang Teacher is,Well I had a lot of teachers who I study from, But my first Yin Style Teacher is Chen Xiao Ping who I am still presently learning from and have been so for over 8 years in the Cao ZhongSheng Style of Yin Ba Gua Zhang.

A few years ago I happen to meet Master Xu Shi Xi when I was going to Beijing China 2001 to train under my Teacher Martial Art brother Zhang Lie.

When I first met, Master Xu was mad cool as well I found out he was highly skilled in a rare form of Yin Style Ba Gua Zhang as well Chen style Tai chi chuan, and being that I already had knowledge and skills already in Ba Gua Zhang from which I got my base from Chen Xiao Ping LaoShi , Master Xu offer to teach me his style of Yin style Ba Gua Zhang which I learned.

So I show my respect toward Master Xu Shi Xi by addressing him as one of my Ba Gua Zhang teachers, because he didn’t have to take the time to teach me his Yin Ba Gua Zhang or welcome me in to his home like a family member the times I visit him in Beijing China to train.


Stacy Hope to meet you some day.

Peace.

May you find and continue to develop martial arts knowledge and personal power.

Xiaci zai Liao

BT

[Stacey]

if you say so, then I believe it. Your right about the transitions too.

I am a big fan, however, Im afraid of New York. Too much stimulation. Like 10,000 monkies in a cage. I get depressed.

[Buddy]

Novell,
I understand what you say about when a teacher tells you don't hold back. There might be some ground you have to meet, real quick, real hard. Then you say, film this cause I'm too busy getting whacked to see it.
Good stuff,
Buddy

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I shot you a PM, BlackTaoist/Bell Laoshi.