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    Martial Arts = Painful Conversations

    ARRRRRRRGH!!!

    This weekend, I was in Charleston, SC. The weather was nice, the women were hot.

    We went out with some good friends of ours who invited some rather less good friends of theirs out with us. This culminated in a very large meal at an acceptable steakhouse.

    Unfortunately, while I was plowing into a 22oz prime rib, I hear:

    "Oh, James is like you, he's into fighting and the martial arts and all that stuff," from one of our friends.

    Not so bad. My curiosity was piqued. However, the conversation began and I realized rather quickly that my major organs were going to leap out of my abdomen, through my neck, and choke out my own brain in an effort to avoid this encounter.

    A sampling of the conversation:

    In this man's tongue, Jiujitsu became "The Jiujits."

    Yes, his moves are deadly.

    All Judo moves are lethal.

    Hitting somebody on the bridge of the nose will drive their nose bone into their brain and kill them.

    He does a Shaolin art....FROM Korea....that has a Japanese name.... He didn't realize it was Japanese, but it sure as hell wasn't Korean. Remarking on that it didn't sound like a Korean name lead to a 10 minute exposition about...something...that hurt my brain so I smiled and nodded...

    Please understand that I dealt with this for over an hour. Further, I was sending every nonverbal signal I could to indicate that I really didn't want to talk about this any more.

    I received a general grilling on "the jiujits:"

    Did I know any of the Gracies? (I've met several but don't KNOW them. "I've had no real dealings with them" leads to "Oh good, good. They're bad people." My response that several of them have been nothing but nice to me and others I know was drowned out by some other tangent... )

    Don't you have to learn it from a Gracie? (5 minutes spent trying to make him understand that BJJ is bigger than the Gracie family, many have never met a Gracie or learned from one, etc)

    What's your lineage? (I have no idea. We get back to my instructor's instructor and...)

    How can you be certain what you are learning is legit if you don't know your lineage? (5 minutes spent explaining we have these things called competitions. We don't care who you are or who taught you. You win, you're golden. You produce champions, you're a great coach teaching good stuff. Total incomprehension.)

    My favorite, and the one that effectively ended the conversation was:

    "If you don't mind my asking (why would I?), how does your style address throwing and takedowns?"

    "Huh?"

    "You know, like, if somebody tries to throw you or take you down, what do you do about it?"

    "I'm not really sure I understand your question exactly, I mean..."

    "Well, in my style, you know, we try to root, sink the stance and resist the throw. Do you try to do something like that or do you try to, you know, use the other guy's momentum and reverse him?"

    I had a fleeting moment where I briefly considered formulating a detailed response to this, but ultimately decided he wasn't going to get it, so, I led with "That depends...there are a bunch of throws where you're just not reversing them and..."

    *with look of incredulity* "Well, YEAH, but you don't want to be in that situation in the first place, do you?"

    "Well, you don't want to get knocked out either, but it happens to people all the time."

    That gave him pause for a second, somebody remarked on "Stone Fist Style" or something, where-upon he began vigorously talking about....something.... and I was able to get back to eating my (now cold) steak...and thank heavens the check came.
    "In the world of martial arts, respect is often a given. In the real world, it must be earned."

    "A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand. "--Bertrand Russell

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    LOL! Ouch. I wouldn't have spent that much time talking about it with a guy like that, of course I'm an a$$.
    Last year I was working out at the renfair and had the misfortune of running into a similar conversation. when the guy started telling me I was going about it all wrong - the same guy who couldnt' remember the name of his instrcutor and admitted openly he only studied for a "little while", I just told him I didn't want to talk about it with him anymore because I was getting irritated. He stopped.

    Here's the suggested stance I think we as martial artists should take. From now on, if someone insists on inflicting this sort of stupidity on you, ask them if they want to spar, or touch hands a little. Throw/knock them around a little, let them know they have to go back and learn some more and call it quits.
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    Ive talked to more idiots about martial arts than I can remember. There are tons of one punch knockin out, submit you in a second, shaolin stone handing wannabes around san antonio and austin... Drives me ape ****.
    Then theres the conversations with people that know even less... "Well, what if someone comes flying at you with some crazy kick or something?"
    "Then Ill probably f*ck them up because if they are comming at me with some "crazy flying kick" they dont really know anything about real fights."
    *dumb blank look*
    "i would show them 8 hours of animal porn and beheadings in a single sitting then make them write a paper about italy." -GDA
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    Although I've never copped it as bad as you guys, I've had arguements with people who think Jackie Chan and Jet Li could beat boxers.

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    Throw/knock them around a little, let them know they have to go back and learn some more and call it quits.
    I would gladly have taken it to the parking lot for a little friendly (and I do mean that) show and tell.

    Except I'm busy rehabbing my shoulder. I can't imagine that would have been very good.
    "In the world of martial arts, respect is often a given. In the real world, it must be earned."

    "A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand. "--Bertrand Russell

    "Liberals - Cosmopolitan critics, men who are the friends of every country save their own. "--Benjamin Disraeli

    "A conservative government is an organised hypocrisy."--Benjamin Disraeli

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    oh god.. I've been there. ugh..

    Honestly, the best conversations I have about martial arts are with my wife. As an outsider and a realist, she always provides a sensible discussion and a simple logical answers.

    ex. we were discusing the footage of the RJ jr. fight. and I was saying "but he had his guard up to protect from the hook, - how ironic.."

    the wife replies, but Tarver wasn't square in front of him, he slipped inside and then threw the hook as he moved back out. to tarver it was a hook, but to Roy's face it landed square.

    I just looked at her in beautiful reverence..
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    Too funny MP. That's why I don't wear t-shirts with anything martial arts related on them, wear any part of my gi outside of the dojo or even tell people about my hobby. The one that got me was a friend of my wife saying that since her 9 year old son is a black belt in TKD that he can beat me up. She was serious.
    I quit after getting my first black belt because the school I was a part of was in the process of lowering their standards A painfully honest KC Elbows

    The crap that many schools do is not the crap I was taught or train in or teach.

    Dam nit... it made sense when it was running through my head.

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    You should've finished your prime rib first before you started to talk.

    Don't Bother Me, I'm eating...
    "Don't Focus on the Fingers or You will miss all the Heavenly Glory!"

    Morbicid-"Maybe some moves are made just so that, if u somehow manage to pull them off in a fight, u get some serious bragging rights.

    Many famous fighters have done this (roy jones jr, chuck norris, Morbicid, etc)"

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    I'm with Rogue, I try not to say anything but often what happens is someone around me mentions they do martial arts and someone who knows I do it, wife, freind, whatever, then sort of pulls me in by mentioning my own interests.
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    Originally posted by rogue
    The one that got me was a friend of my wife saying that since her 9 year old son is a black belt in TKD that he can beat me up. She was serious.
    This is why I hate the belt system so much. Theres a whole lot of opinion/ego placed behind the color of a belt.
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    Originally posted by ShaolinTiger00


    I just looked at her in beautiful reverence..
    me too!

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    Originally posted by SanSoo Student
    You should've finished your prime rib first before you started to talk.

    Don't Bother Me, I'm eating...
    Agreed. No conversation, no matter how irritating, is worth interrupting the vital flow of beef.
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    I hate these conversations. And, IME, the workst people to have them with are other MA, for the very reasons in MP's post - you get the lineage questions, talk of masters and secret techniques, etc. I have more luck just by nodding in agreeance with them, pretending to pay attention.

    I hate the "*insert actor here* could beat a boxer" discussions also.
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    I hate the "*insert actor here* could beat a boxer" discussions also.
    Owen Wilson would totally ownzor either Klitschko. Or more likely, both at once.

    (runs away)
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    Talking

    Were you still hungry enough to eat your steak after listening to all that CRAP? xD

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