Sex in Abu Ghraib Prison.

[Mr Punch]

Good post Chris M.

Completely agreed.

However you're using a few too many shoulds and should nots for my liking! Of course, the American people will judge Bush's administration partly on its failure to adequately address the prison abuse issue (which because of its historical precedence and indivisible links to some part of human nature may be impossible to adequately address) and even maybe choose Kerry partly because of their perception of what he may do or may have done... which though not logical, is fine by me, cos I don't like Bush!

There is still relevance to Bush's performance in how he handles this. The baseline (which although harsh is black and white) is the military judicial procedure, training protocols and framework for redress of complaints. If he orders/initiates a review of this whole procedure he will be deemed (unfairly) as being too late; and anything else will be (unfairly) dismissed as not being enough. I say unfairly, but are human emotion and expectation factors which should be left out of decision-making altogether? That would be another unhealthy ideal.

[Christopher M]

Originally posted by Mat
but are human emotion and expectation factors which should be left out of decision-making altogether?

Yes.

[rubthebuddha]

wasn't that just another "should?"

[Chang Style Novice]

This is rather offtopic for the thread, but I figure it'd be even worse to start another new offtopic thread on the Iraq war, so here it is.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...224075,00.html

Seems there's a strong possiblility that Chalabi is a double agent for Iran, and has fed the US false info that resulted in our taking out their worst regional enemy. Boy, nothing quite like being duped into carrying water for one of the "Axis of Evil" eh?

[Vash]

If proven true (is that really necessary, to be true, anymore?), that's gonna be a hooj issue come election time.

The CIA allegations bring to a head a dispute between the CIA and the Pentagon officials instrumental in promoting Mr Chalabi and his intelligence in the run-up to the war. By calling for an FBI counter-intelligence investigation, the CIA is, in effect, threatening to disgrace senior neo-conservatives in the Pentagon.

CIA vs NeoCons @ Pentagon: In a battle where there can be now winner . . . WHO WILL WIN?!

[Christopher M]

Since the air has been cleared for slightly OT comments, here is a beefy tidbit someone (thanks) forwarded my way; it's revealing wrt some of the nuances of French foreign policy in the middle east, and their opposition to America in this matter. Wheels within wheels, eh?