US Draft to start in Spring 2005??

[cerebus]

I'm sure you will. And you'll probably come back with a whole collection of Rolex's.

[blooming lotus]

Originally posted by BlueTravesty


Yeah, it won't get REALLY ugly though, until the Lizards find out they've been cut out of the deal. Then Bush will have to use his connections with the Oil Companies (who are evil and satanic, et al.), and that cult known as Haliburton (do I even have to say they're evil? they're a corporation! geez...) to win enough sway with the Illuminati so that they can buy a whole bunch of new, shiny Black Helicopters equipped with Mad-Cow-Disease rays, and assassinate a Kennedy heir in order to demonstrate their power (since the Kennedys are obviously Reptilian, duh.) The sad part is that none of this would have happened if the Grays had just stayed out of it and not used their mind-beams and electrodisruptors to change the outcome of the election!!!!!


jerks.

Bush has uge stakes in illumanti and just happens to [I]own/I] a big hare of oil stock in IraQ...what a mf coincedence.......I also find it just a little intersting that bush's family owns both weaopons trade market in the us and one of the only anti-virus pharmecuetical businesses for "new-aged" bio-chem disease ........screw Bush and screw his uneducated supporters!!!!!..............Ps...speaking of mind - beams...did you know the ussr is leading the field in research of higher conciousness and "extra-sensory " perception...like audio-kinetics.....telekenisis and esp????....these folks have conducted tests for several decades and if you don't have the info or consider yourself a sceptic because you've nver heard and considered the facts........admit it...you are in need of more information...therefore your perception of life is based on judgment of information you just don't have... .......................WTF????????



Ps....how many folks here are aware 89 and call me mad or just consider the facts)...that wih tidays' technology, they have satellites that can can zoom into your very private room and photograph and enlarge the fly that landed on your desk whie you were screwing your secratary????? dead set...and my Iq is nearly 25 points above theirs.....so ...understand or not...what dio I perceive ??????



I know.......I know...uneducated , unthinking joe says jack.....you're off your head right????? ..but to the thinking audience..what do you say????????..i've read several "secret docs" my hacker little bro has shoved down my throat, coupled with my own research..........and you thought you were aware of the world?????????


whachya you got????????

[T'ai Ji Monkey]

Originally posted by Christopher M


Since I was the one citing primary sources to clarify the misunderstanding you came to from citing rumour mills, this doesn't seem to be the case in this particular instance.

Gimme your sources, that are 3 independant verifiable sources that are accepted within scientific circles.
Anything less than that is pure propaganda, I though you were a scientist and you forget the basic rule of proofing ANY fact.
BTW, the original source does NOT count unless it has been verified by 3 independant parties/sources.

What do you recommend in its place?

I am not sure that I have a recommendation, but I know that there is NO universal\perfect form of goverment.

Each country HAS to choose their own prefered form of goverment, even capitalism has shown it's own failings.

You continue to appear confused on this point: socialism and right-wing are antithetical, not synonymous.

Are they really? The boundaries we currently know are being stretched/merged and new forms of goverment will emerge.

Lookat the trends in europe and you will see some VERY interesting developments and some that are running opposite to the USA ones for good or bad.

More and more countries seem to see value in a mild form of National Socalism, what about that?
The current distinction of B/W that many hold to be true don't exist anymore and no matter how much wishing is going to fit their "perfect" ideology.

Hopefully a more constructive strategy will be apparent this time.

It is there but I seem to talk to a person that doesn't seem to have a flexible enough mindset to be able to fathom them nor seems to be up to date with the current evolutions and studies.

Democracy is a form of goverment that will NOT survive in the long run, if it was that superior why did it not take over other forms of goverment when the greeks introduced it thousands of years ago??

Show me one true 100% democracy that exist in the world? Most of the "democractic" countries are republics that are struggling with their imperial pasts.

[Christopher M]

Originally posted by T'ai Ji Monkey
Gimme your sources

For what?

I am not sure that I have a recommendation, but I know that there is NO universal\perfect form of goverment.

Certainly not. This in itself is not a critique of democracy though (or liberalism, etc.).

Each country HAS to choose their own prefered form of goverment

This seems like a statement up for debate rather than one which is true a priori. For instance, there are certainly arguments that external intervention was warranted for Hitler's government.

Are they really?

Yes, right-wing and socialist really are antithetical. They are mutually defined on the basis of their antithesism.

The boundaries we currently know are being stretched/merged and new forms of goverment will emerge.

Right. This doesn't seem to change the above fact. Mixing red and orange makes yellow, but that doesn't mean red and orange are the same color.

It is there but I seem to talk to a person that doesn't seem to have a flexible enough mindset to be able to fathom them nor seems to be up to date with the current evolutions and studies.

I'll be completely honest about what is entirely a personal matter (something which I usually avoid doing): It seems like you're interested in creating a fantasy about who you think I am, and having a personality clash with that fantasy. Ok. I'm not at all interested in this sort of interaction, so please leave me out of it. Please try to limit your interactions with me to exchanges of ideas; if this is impossible, then please limit them completely. Thank you.

Democracy is a form of goverment that will NOT survive in the long run, if it was that superior why did it not take over other forms of goverment when the greeks introduced it thousands of years ago?

This is a great example of your fantasizing. I haven't said a word about my feelings of democracy. You seem to have imagined up a complete set of beliefs on every issue imaginable based solely on my refutation that Bush is legislating a draft. Please recognize this fantasy as a product of your mind rather than mine, and treat it appropriately.

[BlueTravesty]

Originally posted by blooming lotus

Bush has uge stakes in illumanti and just happens to [I]own/I] a big hare of oil stock in IraQ...what a mf coincedence.......I also find it just a little intersting that bush's family owns both weaopons trade market in the us and one of the only anti-virus pharmecuetical businesses for "new-aged" bio-chem disease ........screw Bush and screw his uneducated supporters!!!!!..............Ps...speaking of mind - beams...did you know the ussr is leading the field in research of higher conciousness and "extra-sensory " perception...like audio-kinetics.....telekenisis and esp????....these folks have conducted tests for several decades and if you don't have the info or consider yourself a sceptic because you've nver heard and considered the facts........admit it...you are in need of more information...therefore your perception of life is based on judgment of information you just don't have... .......................WTF????????

Ps....how many folks here are aware 89 and call me mad or just consider the facts)...that wih tidays' technology, they have satellites that can can zoom into your very private room and photograph and enlarge the fly that landed on your desk whie you were screwing your secratary????? dead set...and my Iq is nearly 25 points above theirs.....so ...understand or not...what dio I perceive ??????

I know.......I know...uneducated , unthinking joe says jack.....you're off your head right????? ..but to the thinking audience..what do you say????????..i've read several "secret docs" my hacker little bro has shoved down my throat, coupled with my own research..........and you thought you were aware of the world?????????

whachya you got????????

I may be uneducated, and I'll give you "unthinking" because I'm really not sure how that could be used as an adjective, and my personal hygeine may be questionable (oh wait, that wasn't in your post...) but do NOT CALL ME A BUSH SUPPORTER!

Look, just because I don't believe in conspiracy THEORY x, y, and z, it doesn't necessarily follow that I'm a supporter of Bush, and the fact that you seem to think so only shows the error of letting crude stereotypes guide one's thinking. To tell you the truth, I'm really apathetic about the guy. Bush is inept as all get-out, and has no grasp of diplomacy, and the way the Iraq war was carried out was a disaster. I don't support the guy, and I don't support the "alternatives." I think John Kerry is neither worse nor better an alternative than Bush. He has shown himself to be just as overbearing, probably just as stubborn, and lacks even the small, minuscule amount of charisma that Bush has, and that's saying something.

Furthermore, while you are probably more well-educated than I am, that does not necessarily mean that your OPINIONS and CONJECTURE should carry any more weight than anyone else's. I only graduated from High School a few years ago, with a 2.8 average. Go ahead, laugh at that low average all you want, just remember that the High Horse you sit on craps on the ground just like any other, and smells every bit as bad as the Low Mule I'm on (I'm speaking figuratively of course.)

The fact is, neither your education nor your "Hacker Bro's Top Secret Documents" necessarily make your statements any more valid, and therefore you speak with no more authority than say, myself. There are plenty of educated persons like yourself that believe as you do, and there are quite a few 8th-grade dropouts that do as well. What does that mean? It means that one's education and intelligence don't necessarily play the vital role on one's conclusions to the extent that everyone tends to assume. Did you graduate with a degree in Political Science? Was your major course of study in international affairs? I'm not saying that ta lack of these degrees takes any away from your right to speak on these issues, I'm just saying the fact that if your education was not in this area, as mine was not, it gives you no more authority in your opinions than mine. Just because one is a Nuclear Physicist does not mean that I would necessarily call him or her to defend me in court, you know? He may be pretty d@mn smart in the area of Nuclear Physics, but it doesn't necesarily mean he/she is also an expert attorney.

So, rather than resorting to a bunch of namecalling and reactionary rage, why not explain to me why your THEORIES OPINIONS and CONJECTURE mean so much more than mine?

This is "uneducated, unthinking joe" signing off.

[T'ai Ji Monkey]

I haven't said a word about my feelings of democracy.

You hardly give your own Opinion, but rather seem to take pleasure in pointing out (percevied)) flaws in other people sstatement.

It would be nice if you for once would share your true Opinions and feelings and ANSWER some of the questions put forward to you.

You often take 5% of a post and reply to something you think you read in there, totally ignoring the other 95%.

So WHAT are your feelings on Democracy?? Straight and easy question and I guess you will ignore it and point ome other "flaws" in this post out. Really pathetic,IMHO.

[blooming lotus]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BlueTravesty
[B]

I may be uneducated, and I'll give you "unthinking" because I'm really not sure how that could be used as an adjective, and my personal hygeine may be questionable (oh wait, that wasn't in your post...) but do NOT CALL ME A BUSH SUPPORTER!

Look, just because I don't believe in conspiracy THEORY x, y, and z, it doesn't necessarily follow that I'm a supporter of Bush, and the fact that you seem to think so .......


little defencive there...lol....if the shoe fits....

Furthermore, while you are probably more well-educated than I am, that does not necessarily mean that your OPINIONS and CONJECTURE should carry any more weight than anyone else's. I only graduated from High School a few years ago, with a 2.8 average. Go ahead, laugh at that low average all you want, just remember that the High Horse you sit on craps on the ground just like any other, and smells every bit as bad as the Low Mule I'm on (I'm speaking figuratively of course.)

that's silly to assume I think that way, or would ever laugh at someones' misfotunes or short-commings....remember, Im a teacher and a buddhist


The fact is, neither your education nor your "Hacker Bro's Top Secret Documents" necessarily make your statements any more valid, and therefore you speak with no more authority than say, myself. There are plenty of educated persons like yourself that believe as you do, and there are quite a few 8th-grade dropouts that do as well. What does that mean? It means that one's education and intelligence don't necessarily play the vital role on one's conclusions to the extent that everyone tends to assume.

of course their are other factors.......


Did you graduate with a degree in Political Science? Was
your major course of study in international affairs? I'm not saying that ta lack of these degrees takes any away from your right to speak on these issues, I'm just saying the fact that if your education was not in this area, as mine was not, it gives you no more authority in your opinions than mine. Just because one is a Nuclear Physicist does not mean that I would necessarily call him or her to defend me in court, you know? He may be pretty d@mn smart in the area of Nuclear Physics, but it doesn't necesarily mean he/she is also an expert attorney.

Well, since we already decided that educationwas not neccesarily important as far as right to opinion goes...it's irrelevant, but now that you mention it, I did help tutor someone in socially and law degree........


So, rather than resorting to a bunch of namecalling and reactionary rage, why not explain to me why your THEORIES OPINIONS and CONJECTURE mean so much more than mine?


I don't think I called any one any name...what I said...was f*ck Bush and f*ck his supporters

This is "uneducated, unthinking joe" signing off. [/B

[T'ai Ji Monkey]

Chris M.

Here is some clarifiaction that you might now be aware off and might help you understand where I am coming from.

1.) A Liberal in the US is bassically the same as a Social-Democrat in Europe.

2.) Joerg Haiders Freedom party is classed as "liberal" even though they are far-right.

3.) Both the Austrian Freedom Party and the US Republican party have very similar motivations and goals but cannot be compared due to the different histories of the countries. Copies for the comparison study can be ordered from the Austrian Press Office.

4.) I have never voted for either a social-democratic, democratic, liberal or far-right party in my life. My choice are the Greens.

[ZIM]

"Everybody got a gris-gris"
-Penn & Teller

[ZIM]

Yeah, it won't get REALLY ugly though, until the Lizards find out they've been cut out of the deal. Then Bush will have to use his connections with the Oil Companies (who are evil and satanic, et al.), and that cult known as Haliburton (do I even have to say they're evil? they're a corporation! geez...) to win enough sway with the Illuminati so that they can buy a whole bunch of new, shiny Black Helicopters equipped with Mad-Cow-Disease rays, and assassinate a Kennedy heir in order to demonstrate their power (since the Kennedys are obviously Reptilian, duh.) The sad part is that none of this would have happened if the Grays had just stayed out of it and not used their mind-beams and electrodisruptors to change the outcome of the election!!!!!

I understood this, every word, and I *think* I know the sources. If you're into this, seriously consider talking to a competant psychiatrist/counselor. Royal Dragon may be able to direct you to a specialist in Cult Awareness.
No, I won't be dragged into a discussion of this. Sorry.

[BlueTravesty]

Zim, I've read your posts on here, and I know you have a good grasp on sarcasm. Could you really not tell?

As for sources... well, I used to dabble a bit in conspiracy stuff in my formative years, and then realized the futility of it at around age 19. Filled in the gaps with stuff I gleaned from listening to Coast to Coast AM (the show is so amusing... it's almost like what some would describe as "watching a train wreck" though I would have no desire to do this.) And of course, I gotta credit the folks at SomethingAwful for their highlighting hilarious clips from conspiracy message boards on their "Weekend Web" feature.

[Dim Wit Mak]

I was one of the last draftees (October of 1972). The last draft the United States has had ended in April of 1973. Our seemingly endless "committments" made this an inevitable question.

Look at it this way. There is no inside or outside block which will work against a bullet traveling at 3000 per second, but when the ammo runs out we martial artists will have an edge. We will know how to counter a bayonet thrust with a parry and toe snap kick. The stand up type fighters can then finish Akmed off with an axe kick into the laryx and the BJJ guys can just go to an armbar and break the elbow if they are feeling merciful, or send him to paradise to have bliss with the 70 virgins with a wing choke or Shime Waza if they are in a bad mood.

[Dim Wit Mak]

Tony: Thanks for the reply. My service was at Fort Ord and Germany so I never had to deal with prisoners although I thought I might have to tangle with the Bader-Meinhof Gang which was running amok in S. Germany at the time. Thank God you made it home safe. God bless you in all your budo and other pursuits. By the way, I like your "warrior in the garden" quote.

[ZIM]

Originally posted by BlueTravesty
Zim, I've read your posts on here, and I know you have a good grasp on sarcasm. Could you really not tell?

As for sources... well, I used to dabble a bit in conspiracy stuff in my formative years, and then realized the futility of it at around age 19. Filled in the gaps with stuff I gleaned from listening to Coast to Coast AM (the show is so amusing... it's almost like what some would describe as "watching a train wreck" though I would have no desire to do this.) And of course, I gotta credit the folks at SomethingAwful for their highlighting hilarious clips from conspiracy message boards on their "Weekend Web" feature.

Wow, you had me seriously worried, there. No, I couldn't tell- I'm not all that familiar with your posts. Sorry for that. I felt I was doing you a favor.

Now that you've cleared it up, it's funny.

[blooming lotus]

props to the army dude....luv your work...I once recruited for the Nz army myself but before I was committed to service discovered the beauty of shaolin.....soldier to the core...but it's the point of te fight that mattered in the end................welcome back anyway......