Closing this thread.
I'm closing this thread due to the high number of personal attacks. They are woven fairly tightly into the other information and I feel that if I just went through and deleted them there wouldn't be much left. But there is some good info in here. So I'm going to go ahead and close this one, and encourage continued discussion on a new thread to give everyone an opportunity to try and stick to the topic at hand without the need for abrasive language.
Thanks!
Sandman[Wing Chun]
"Learning is not compulsory ... neither is survival."
-W. Edwards Derning
A thought on Civil Discourse:
“Democracy is a means of living together despite our differences. Democratic deliberation is an alternative to physical violence. It is predicated on the assumption that it’s possible to disagree agreeably, that it’s better to laugh than cry, that one can vigorously contest the positions of one’s adversary without questioning his or her personal integrity or motivation, and that parties to a debate are entitled to the presumption that their views are legitimate if not correct.” -Thomas Mann