Fights go to the ground

[Meat Shake]

"It is extremely difficult to knock someone out with elbows to the back of the head. And it sure doesn't cause blindness."

Are you kidding me? back of the head = bass of the skull where the skull meets the vertabrae. Ive been woozied up from a forearm to this spot, and it wasnt a very hard one either... and Ive got no glass jaw, mind you. Ill dig up some medical research proving trauma to this spot can cause blindness as well, just check back on this thread in a day or two.

[Knifefighter]

Originally posted by Meat Shake
Are you kidding me? back of the head = bass of the skull where the skull meets the vertabrae. Ive been woozied up from a forearm to this spot, and it wasnt a very hard one either...

Maybe you're just a wuss.

I can't tell you how many punches, elbows, and sticks I've been hit with in the base of the skull over the years. Never been close to being knocked out by any of these and, last time I checked, I could still see.

[FngSaiYuk]

I agree with KF - thwacks to the back of the head may be deadly, but so can thwacks to any other region of the body (with luck mostly ... or EXTREME training). If you got woozy after a not so hard hit by a forearm, it may have been luck, or you're genetically or structurally prone to it. Not everyone is.

Same thing as getting kicked in the groin. Will drop some people, will momentarily stun others, and for yet another type will just p!$$ 'em off so they'll hit ya even harder.

[Meat Shake]

" Maybe you're just a wuss. "

Bahaha... yes. Thats why we fight with just ufc gloves and headgear. I respect your opinions KF, but dont talk out of your ass about people you dont know.
There were even two cases of blindness here in texas from that spot... a 14 year old paintballing got shot directly on the point where the skull meets the spine. The paintball didnt bust, and the kid went blind form nerve trauma. They sued grandpa's paintball, and the business had to file for bankruptcy. (sp?) It was about 7 years ago... Im trying to find info on it, but its not so easy.... Maybe kirk just got lucky. Ive been sucker punched full force with a palm directly to the temple and just been slightly woozied. Ive been slammed on my head countless times and gotten up just fine. Ive been kicked in the balls more times than I can count, and I just say "sh!t" and keep fighting. A forearm hook to the spot will daze you... I promise. Come down and spar with master john wang of the ASCSA in austin if you dont believe me. Its one of his favorite entries and one of his meaner ways to get a throw if you wont let him have it. Kirk uses it often to get an upper control throw as well.

[David Jamieson]

the medula oblongata is located at the point...roughly. be careful when you hit someone there, they may or may not have the "padding" to withstand it and you could be killing your friend, or seriously harming them. Now, the skull above that, you could whack at with pretty good force and it is fairly thick, but at the connection point there is a lot of tender stuff there.

But on the other hand, if people want to play around at being a fighter then they should take responsibility for that and sign off on the risks.

[Knifefighter]

Originally posted by Meat Shake
... but dont talk out of your ass...

Methinks you are the one talking out of his ass about somehing he doesn't know. BJJ vale tudo fighters have been using elbows to the base of the skull for over sixty years to set up the Mate Leon choke. Not only has no one been blinded, but it is rare for someone to even get knocked out from this strike.

[Meat Shake]

"Methinks you are the one talking out of his ass about somehing he doesn't know. "

Whatever. Its degraded to semantics now. Ive felt it, Ive used it, its been used on me... Its a good strike with the forearm. We dont elbow or knee to the head or face anymore because we all got tired of paying for stitches anyways.

[Gangsterfist]

Originally posted by Knifefighter
Methinks you are the one talking out of his ass about somehing he doesn't know. BJJ vale tudo fighters have been using elbows to the base of the skull for over sixty years to set up the Mate Leon choke. Not only has no one been blinded, but it is rare for someone to even get knocked out from this strike.

Post some links of them using those techs. If its so harmless then why is it banned from being used in many full contact matches?

[Samurai Jack]

Maybe you fellas haven't had any ill effects from a hit to the back of the head because there isn't anything in there to damage.

A strike to the back of the head MAY cause temporary blindness due to trauma in the occipital lobe of the brain where visual stimuli are processed and interpreted.

It is a common, but usually temporary effect of back-of-the-head injuries.

[Ironwind]

The fights that I've seen and been in have hit the ground unless I end the fight quickly.

You don't have to beat the helll out of person sometimes you just gotta kill thier pride.

Nuts
eyes
Instep

Primary Targets........... for me in a Street fight to not fall.

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by Ironwind

eyes
Instep

Primary Targets........... for me in a Street fight to not fall.

nuts - not necessarily a fight ender. many people won't even feel the pain of a groin shot until after the adrenaline stops flowing.

eyes - not really reliable as a target because of the difficulties involved in doing so on a resisting opponent.

[Knifefighter]

Originally posted by Gangsterfist
Post some links of them using those techs.

The Gracie "In Action" tapes have several examples of multiple full force elbows to the back of the head. Most of the NHB matches of the early and mid 90's (UFC, Battlecade, Extreme Challenge, etc) had many cases of fighters being struck in the back of the head multiple times without being knocked out or blinded.

Originally posted by Gangsterfist
If its so harmless then why is it banned from being used in many full contact matches?

I never said it was harmless, just that it is hard to knock someone out and doesn't cause blindness. As to why it is banned, it looks barbaric to the uninitiated, such as the legislators who write the regulations governinng these events.

[Gangsterfist]

I have heard stories of people getting hit in the back of the head so far, it popped their eyeball right out of the socket in the skull.

Also at the base of your skull in the back is where the spine connects to the brain. I don't think I would want anyone to hit me there reguardless.

[Ironwind]

Originally posted by SevenStar
nuts - not necessarily a fight ender. many people won't even feel the pain of a groin shot until after the adrenaline stops flowing.

eyes - not really reliable as a target because of the difficulties involved in doing so on a resisting opponent.

I won't make an attack to the eyes obvious not while standing.

Your right sometimes nut shots dont work while adrenilin is rushing thats why I follow up with an eye stab.

Haven't been blocked yet.

[FngSaiYuk]

Originally posted by Ironwind
I won't make an attack to the eyes obvious not while standing.

Your right sometimes nut shots dont work while adrenilin is rushing thats why I follow up with an eye stab.

Haven't been blocked yet.

Wow, how often have you done that? Also, what was the result? Were there any legal ramifications? Did the 'feel' of stabbing real eyes differ any from training the conditioning of your fingerstabs? How do you train the conditioning and accuracy of your fingerstabs?