Lap Fu Wai Ying Ô컢ΪÐÎ

[Go Jun Long]

Oh no, you cannot get me to talk about BFP I dont know anything about it

But no, Like I said I only know of it through Bak Mei, but they may have it in the system. I feel that any Tiger system would have this. Can anyone add on to this and tell us if there is?

[Hai_To]

Rhat,

Do you study Pak Mei with Sifu Li Yang Jian as well? Your statement to Buddha_Fist regarding Eddie Chong ("He is not a Disciple of Sifu only a past student.") leads me to that question.

Just curious.

[TAO YIN]

How old are some of you? 8 or so? Anyways...

Ha Say Fu: cool post. There are many tigers in kung fu training, so to speak.


Go Jun Long: Hello; just so you know, your one and only disciple signature, it doesn't really promote a good traditional sifu's intentions. I mean, that signature does kinda go against the whole "all men of the four seas are brothers," saying. Plus, no one here really cares probably, but I digress because speaking of such means I care in some way...or that I am passing judgement.

So, anyways Go, Are you talking creating the tiger externally with regards to body mechanics and the external coordinates co-relating, or internally with regards to mind, chi, intent, soul, heart to heart, shen-shen-shen, say-say-say, and all that sort of stuff, or both coordinating together??? What "mental attributes" constitute the minds awareness of a tiger spirit? Are you just really ****ed off, hunting for food, and breathing real hard, or what? Is mor chi chor kai involved, or is this not important? Is this only the behavior of a dragon, or what?

Just curious,,,

Tao

[Go Jun Long]

Tao Yin,
Hey thanks for your thoughts but you really do not understand my Sifu or what traditions he has or myself. I understand how it might come across, but this point needs to be made to uphold who does and does not have Futshan Bak Mei. I dont see any harm in promoting the truth, but we all have our own opinions, thats what makes us great
Can you explain to me how such a statement could go agaist "from 5 lake and 4 seas all men are brothers"?

Ok, about the question: lets make it easy to understand. The question is about every aspect of the art and the Tiger. Use your imagination and think about everything that you use the Tiger for, whether it be internal, external, spiritual, mental etc...

Hope this helps

[TAO YIN]

You know, Go, when you say "I understand how it might come across, but this point needs to be made to uphold who does and does not have Futshan Bak Mei," I understand...no reason for me to say anything in return really. If you truly believe this in your heart, and this belief is important to you, then that's all the better for you.

The reason that what you say goes against the statement is because the "fu" is for everyone. You are not the "one and only disciple" of Futshan Bak Mei. There are many. If your Sifu "Bai Shee" you then good for you. Maybe, you have Sihings?? But I guess not from your statements. Either way, it doesn't matter; because we die.

Anyways, as far as the Tiger is concerned, were those the answers that you were looking for? I asked what you broadly answered, so again, which one do you want to talk about? The external tiger? The internal tiger? The spiritual tiger? The mindful tiger?

Perhaps on the physical side of things would be best to start. Since there's "nothing new under the sun," if you are able to "shape your body and move, like a tiger," then your external coordinates are working, and your body mechanics are sound. Get your breath going along with your tiger actions, and your internal will build from there. However this internal quest shapes your heart, mind, and soul; that is up to you to imagine...right?

Take Care,

Tao

[Go Jun Long]

Cool, cool. So does anyone here actually study the Tiger (the animal) to offset there Tiger art training?

[hasayfu]

Originally posted by Go Jun Long
Cool, cool. So does anyone here actually study the Tiger (the animal) to offset there Tiger art training?

We do. But we don't mimic tiger movements per se. It's all about wai xing or becoming the essence. For instance, Tiger decends mountain. Ever watch a tiger come from up high? It has very powerful and long movements. Crashing through anything it's way till it reaches it's target. (eye of the tiger). The Hung Gar technique reflects this as it traps the arms, knocks the opponent off balance and goes for the kill.

Contrast that to a tiger coming out of a cave. A tiger attacking from a cave is like coming from a hidden area. It doesn't try to cover long distance but draws the prey into range. It comes out quick and deadly and close to the cave. The HG technique is similar. It has a grab to draw the prey in and the tiger comes from behind the grab like it was coming out of a hidden area.

OK, this is not exact but you get the idea. Sifu always talks about animal characteristics when getting the essence (Xing) of a technique.

Now a question back. You say it is definitely "Create the tiger." So is it definitely "Lap Fu Wai Xing?" Cuz create the tiger in cantonese would be Chou Fu. That said, I can see Lap Fu to mean the same thing. If you can see my chinese characters, I would be curious to see what your sifu says about the difference.

BTW, I am no chinese expert. I'm chinese but 3rd gen American and raised with a Toisan influence so a lot gets lost in translation I'm learning though and that's why I ask.

[Go Jun Long]

I am with you on not being a Chinese Language ÖÐÎÄ expert.

Well I have not talked with Sifu yet, but I have been doing some translating and this is what I have gotten:

½¨Á¢»¢µÄÐÎ = Jianli hu de xing (mandarin) = Establishment/create the shape of tiger (English)

But in translation it always wants to add this ×´ which means shape, just like ÐÎ. Dont really understand that one. It would be like "create the shape shape of tiger"

I will get back with you once I an get around to contacting Sifu.


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[PaiLumDreamer]

This post was great to read! I like seeing people interested in traditional kung fu, rather than kickboxing kung fu. This inspired me.

[fiercest tiger]

The shape is the posture, which changes the mindset, which changes the ging which means DEATH!

Dont read into things to much with these poems or songs and sayings because you may completely go the wrong way.

The shape of tiger back changes the body from yin chi to yang chi and covers the important pressure points during fighting. Kinda like a shell!

With the tigers back/shoulders youhave more reach thus more power as Bak Mei is based on inch power/short power.

hope this helps
FT

[Rhat]

Originally posted by fiercest tiger


Dont read into things to much with these poems or songs and sayings because you may completely go the wrong way.

hope this helps
FT

LOL!

Allow Go Jun Long some forgivable sin!

[Rhat]

Originally posted by Hai_To
Rhat,

Do you study Pak Mei with Sifu Li Yang Jian as well? Your statement to Buddha_Fist regarding Eddie Chong ("He is not a Disciple of Sifu only a past student.") leads me to that question.

Just curious.

(hint) Go Jun Long's Pak Mei can't stop my powerful CHOP CHOI.

....got it!?

[Go Jun Long]

[Rhat]

Go Jun Long,

You should read it like the intellect. In other words, you should never spoil your own in order to please others