Comics

[Chang Style Novice]

http://fourcolorheroes.home.insightb...chmenfree.html

A script for a movie version of "Watchmen." It is, at least in part, by Sam Hamm. That ought to speak for itself, but I'll go ahead and warn you explicitly anyway - it sucks. He's removed all of the best stuff and replaced it with retarded garbage.

[Shaolinlueb]

the super hero stuff is great. if i want to read about depression adn the bad times of life ill jsut look at my life and write a book. hey SC you like cyberforce? i have the whole series minus the last 2 issues and all of weapon zero, two good series.

[Starchaser107]

i have a fair amount of cyberforce, it was good, I preferred Wild c.a.t.s. , wetworks was okay too.
i really like cybernary with manabat , but my all time fave had to be between gen-13 and wild c.a.t.s. after a while the stories started getting sucky though.

the ones that sucked horribly from inception were youngblood, bloodstrike or bloodforce or whatever ...supreme, all of these had zero story zero artwork and too much gratuitous violence.
the only thing it had going for them was shock value and glossy paper to mirror the words of csn, and of course comuter colorization which was a new concept at the time... but they sucked at it anyway.

[Starchaser107]

oh and I agree ,
comic books should be about escapism...that's what it is for most people. you can't escape if you're confronted with real problems in the stuff you immerse yourself in...that's masochistic.

[Chang Style Novice]

There's mindless escapism in all media, though. Why should comics be the one where mindless escapism is the only thing available? That's like saying all films should be romantic comedies or all novels should be domestic drama.

Marshall McLuhan said the medium is the message, but that doesn't mean that form should be content.

[Starchaser107]

"Why should comics be the one where mindless escapism is the only thing available?"

my bad,
i didnt mean to impose my tastes and fancies upon all.
sorry.
What I should have said , was that comics for me usually involve escapism, i know it's quite a difference from the original statement... my bad truly.

yo each thier own man.

[Kristoffer]

As I've never came around to read Watchmen cover to cover I can't say I'm a fan. But I uderstand how how big a impact it had. If they make it a movie the chance is I'll still like it if they make it more action oriented than it should be.

To me escapism can be reading about depression and simillar. Like, reading about how miserable Peter Parker is, when his whole life is f'd up. I think I've read somewhere that people enjoy seeing other people that are in a worse situation than one self, that it makes one feel better about the own situation etc..

[Starchaser107]

true,
however, the depression comic book heroes face is different from our own. peter parker has issues you and i will never ever have to contend with, so even if he's going through girl problems , or financial crisis, it's still coupled with whatever superhuman concerns that trouble him.
same with kenshin, we won't know what it is he feels , because none of us are ex-government assassins that are trying to walk away from a life of murder yet our past keeps following us.
the sadness we can identify with , but not the details that make it so.
i'm willing to bet that there's a heck of alot of people out there that don't care or will never care to read a comic book based on how peggy sue's cat ran up a tree and died in the winter unless it died of supernatural reasons or something to make it more interesting.
if mundane is your thing , then fine , more power to you , enjoy .

[Kristoffer]

"i'm willing to bet that there's a heck of alot of people out there that don't care or will never care to read a comic book based on how peggy sue's cat ran up a tree and died in the winter unless it died of supernatural reasons or something to make it more interesting."

hehe yeah true true

[Chang Style Novice]

And there are probably at least as many who couldn't give two sh!ts about mutants aliens or samurai. But could probably be tempted to read a murder mystery or religious comic - if they didn't see comics as exclusively the domain of x-men/richie rich/kid's stuff.

[Vash]

From Hell owns X-Men.

[Starchaser107]

"And there are probably at least as many"
I seriously doubt it.
the figures speak volumes.

[Chang Style Novice]

I don't trust the figures because comix are ghettoized as the place where dumb young nerds go for their power fantasies. Serious work that would interest a serious (and possibly much larger) audience in many cases misses its target because it's in a comix medium. This is a problem that movies or novels don't really have.

And Vash has poisoned the correct with laudanum-laced grapes and cut its heart out.

[Vash]

I'm still wanting to get a copy of the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen vI and II.

Alan Moore is Genius!

[Kristoffer]

I swear to ****ing god he ****ing rocks, please I say please let him suck your ****