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[KC Elbows]

Originally posted by SifuAbel

KC,

You can mince words and fly an infinate number of spins on this. Regardless of the supposed experience of some of these people, many on the board are there simply to rabble rouse. Yes, there are some cool people on that board. Is it all of them? No. Do all of them contribute? NO.

Wow, most forum members on forums spend most of their time rabble rousing? Well, I'm glad you warned this forum.

Those that have had flames with me were not just single events. In any case, all you really did was spin what I said.

No, I responded to your exact statements, that there were only two traditionalists in the staff, which was your incorrect statement, and that there was a grudge held by two members of the staff against you, which is also incorrect, no matter how many times they may have entered into flame wars with you. On Bullshido, the ultimate conceit is to assume a flame war you're in is personal.

I responded to those specific statements because the first one was so far off base, and the second involved people I have first hand knowledge of as staff members that showed me that you were wrong.

[quote][b] Osirus, phrost, asia, omega aren't in question. The issue was fair and equal treatment. Of which, the ones in question were JKDC and Brandie.

So, you assume that because those two were the ones flaming you that the rest of the staff put up a big fight for ya?

Asia and Omega treat people fairly regardless of what they do. At least they don't hide their kung fu like its a red headed step child.

Omega flames more than JKDChick and Brand combined, and does it to everyone. I'm not sure who you feel is hiding their kung fu, I almost always participate only on threads about internal principles and off topic, Miguk and the rest who actively use their traditional styles post regarding them.

As much noise as you're making about Bullshido, you know you're headed right back there. And as much as you like to complain, the board serves as a place to organize throwdowns, gives visible special status to fighters who walk the talk, and has a lot more good people there than you have taken advantage of, because you're still trying to prove what you do when there's no reason to anymore. Now me, personally, I wouldn't have even moded you, but saying that a staff decision is based on two people's grudges is not how the place works, the staff tries to come to consensus, and sometimes decisions that we might not agree on happen. Don't make a federal case out of it.

[omarthefish]

Originally posted by SifuAbel

When I picked the name this was exactly the attitude of the board. NOW, we have TCMA people there in greater numbers. NOW.

Even as more traditional artists started posting more nobody took them seriously untill the throwdowns. There hasn't been an anti TCMA thread in ages. Even the MMA trainers are cool with traditional arts, always have been. The litmus test had NEVER been TMA vs. MMA, it has been air punching vs. full or at least hard contact sparring.

"Look at the styles listed and discussed, Kyokshin, Baji, Muay Thai, Judo, Jujitsu. These are among the most popular arts there and are each and every one as traditional as traditional gets.
"

This is starting to get into an MMa/TMA flame, which it ISN'T.

This has to do with particular PEOPLE not styles.

As it is, except for the Baji, the above styles are root MMA systems.

See my above comment. The thread holding those styles together is not MMA. It is SPARRING. WHY are they root MMA systems? Shooter is up there pushing Taiji and nobody disses him. Tai freaking ji and aside from the occasional hippy jokes he gets respect because he takes his taijiquan and pressure tests it in MMA competition. Whoops! MMA again. See, nobody there really sets such a narrow definition of MMA. The arts I mentioned may be among the most popular for MMA but really MMA is just a ruleset for fighting competitions. Shooter does no training whatsoever except for traditional Yang style Taijiquan. But he goes and puts people in the ring so it's all good.

Sanda gets full props even though it is not seen in MMA. I've seen people having intelligent repectable discussions about Goju, Ashihara Karate and others. Nobody really cares that much about MMA. It's all about can you do what you say? Show up at a throwdown or even just privately manage a friendly sparring session with someone else on the board and attitudes would have been different.

The board has stopped being Sherdog-lite not because of random traditionalists showing up and posting. It's because of random traditionalists showing up and sparring with the nut-huggers. And because of peopel like Hedgehoggy(BJJ nuthugger) going out to challenge a Shaolin Do school and having a much harder time than he thought he would.

It's not haterade, it's just lots and lots of skepticism.

Put up or shut up. That's all.

[Meat Shake]

"The litmus test had NEVER been TMA vs. MMA, it has been air punching vs. full or at least hard contact sparring. "

Omar has powerbombed the correct pinning it beneath his sweating genitals.

[Mr Punch]

Abel, for someone who has a lot of interesting stuff to say on obviously a wealth of experience in fighting arts, I have never been able to believe you tendency to throw your toys out of your pram quite so quickly over a bunch of people you don't know on the net.

Your contributions on MA are often interesting even if I don't always agree, but your observations on internet nature are frankly as bad as the 14 yr-old freaks you always put down. It's amazing.

I mean look at this: you come scampering in here (like you want a ****ing merit badge, oh wait, you DO want a ****ing merit badge!) to brag about getting banned from a forum known for its nipple-jerkers, and then start moaning about your condition being worse than banning, and just look at your ****ing signature HERE!

Abel's ****ing sig
If you looked up oversimplification in the websters dictionary, you would be refered to the kungfu magazine web forum.
KFM mission statement:
" We at KFM are dedicated to provide a medium for people to argue endlessly over utter minutia and semantics. To squabble over paradigm specific ideas that support the quirks of a given style. The enforcement of opinion control in order to keep the illusion of supremacy alive. This keeps certain business afloat which are based on this premise.
And finally, to provide a home for the countless teenagers that flood the forum every summer which provides martialartsmart.com with thousands of extra banner hits a day. "
There is no shortage of extreme hubris on this forum.

In case I need to point it out: it's superior, condescending and insulting to the people on here who always contribute. How ****ing old are you again?

'I don't know why I've put up with X for so long', you say! Nor the **** do we. Nobody's asked you on there as a ****ing consultant, and if you do convert anyone, it's back to the old winning the special Olympics gag.

[BM2]

After reading some of what is posted on bullshido, well it makes me feel smarter afterwards.
Ok, it is like standing next to someone a little on the ugly side. It always makes you look just a little bit better.
Bullshido has its moments, sorta like me. But the mods here do a much better job.
For the record, I like Abel's posts on KFM.

[Mr Punch]

For the record so do I, when he talks about fighting/kf. When he talks about other people's attitudes it's always like walking thru a Hall of Mirrors.

[SifuAbel]

So there is no truth in my sig? hmm?

[SifuAbel]

Bullshido is a specatcle. I've said it many times before. There are SOME cool people there. They post, they joke with each other, they contribute information, and so on. They are not the majority.

Omega flames people and its always taken with a bit of satire and its understood as such. In contrast, Greese1's and others sole purpose is to troll, insult and make one line quips. And I'm the post *****, yeah right. Some people there have over 5000 posts, most of it just one line nothings.

Many here have already stated they're agreement on this subject, so its not just me.

Finally, NOTHING HAPPENS IN A VACUUM. I've said this many times also, you flame me, I flame back. Period. Exclamation point! So the people whom flame me are somehow exempt? BS on that noise! They are the cool kids? Why? It takes two to tango. People who go out of their way to start flame wars, and follow one from post to post to do so are in dire need of therapy.

"Wow, most forum members on forums spend most of their time rabble rousing? Well, I'm glad you warned this forum."

This isn't a rebutle , this is a sample of spin that means nothing. Stop trying to paint it as a paragon of martial virtue. If I go back there again its to read what the few cool members are posting. UNFORTUNATELY, I have to wade through a TON of crap to do so. I don't go there for the CRAP.

Even on bullshido itself you'll read these same sentiments from some posters.

[Phrost]

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I'll bet you can't name the two people I've 'defended' most over on Bullshido when it comes to moderation issues.

Here's a hint: Their usernames both start with "Kung"

One of them happens to be you.

Of course we've got some a$$holes over there, so what? We're a board dedicated to removing myths, misconceptions, and paranormal BS from the martial arts. You don't do such things without attracting opionated people.

So really, what's your point?

Kung Fu does work.

Not all of it, but the KF that's tested itself realistically against various styles, that's rid itself of the baggage of mysticism and attachment to legends and myths, that Kung Fu does work.

And the other BS is what we're working to get rid of.

Again, what's your point?

How about you let me change your asinine moniker to Sifu Abel, give you proper credit as an instructor, and you actually participate in the discussions as such...

...instead of as a troll?

[SifuAbel]

You ass hole, I HAVE participated in discussions. WHEN there actually was one. Instead of the usual flame fest troll masterbations.
I don't need YOU to give me proper credentials as an instructor. My teacher has done that already. Just whoTF do you think you are? I'll keep my monkier, thank you very much. I chose it and I'll use it. You censuring me is pure BS. And now you're trying to buy me? F.U.

One point, you can't seem to make up your mind.

" We're actually trying to do something over there; something you've ALWAYS been threatened by, hence your moniker "KungFuDoesWork"."

Its only in your addled imagination that I defend all the crap along with the good stuff in KF. If anything, I was one that always tried to make the differences you are making now.

So do me a giant favor, either put me back as I am or go to hell.

[SifuAbel]

And, even if or when this sanctioning is lifted.

This will still be true.

"If I go back there again its to read what the few cool members are posting. UNFORTUNATELY, I have to wade through a TON of crap to do so. I don't go there for the CRAP. "

[Phrost]

Originally posted by SifuAbel
You ass hole, I HAVE participated in discussions. WHEN there actually was one. Instead of the usual flame fest troll masterbations.
I don't need YOU to give me proper credentials as an instructor. My teacher has done that already. Just whoTF do you think you are? I'll keep my monkier, thank you very much. I chose it and I'll use it. You censuring me is pure BS. And now you're trying to buy me? F.U.

One point, you can't seem to make up your mind.

" We're actually trying to do something over there; something you've ALWAYS been threatened by, hence your moniker "KungFuDoesWork"."

Its only in your addled imagination that I defend all the crap along with the good stuff in KF. If anything, I was one that always tried to make the differences you are making now.

So do me a giant favor, either put me back as I am or go to hell.

If you get the last post in the thread, does that mean you win?

Anyway, seriously Rudy... do you think posting under "KungFuDoesWork" communicates anything other than a combattive, antagonistic attitude towards other members?

Trying to buy you? Where the hell does that idea come from? Anyone with legitimate credentials as an instructor gets labeled as such. It's not a reward, it's an acknowledgement.

Why not post under Sifu Abel? Do you feel threatened by the members of Bullshido? Or are you embarassed at your behavior and don't want to be associated with the troll known as KungFuDoesWork?

[unkokusai]

Originally posted by SifuAbel
You ass hole, I HAVE participated in discussions. WHEN there actually was one. Instead of the usual flame fest troll masterbations.
I don't need YOU to give me proper credentials as an instructor. My teacher has done that already. Just whoTF do you think you are?

hahahahhaahahaaaaaaahahaahahhahhaaaaahahaha!

This is true entertainment! The lion is getting hysterical now!

There are people from other forums coming here now just to watch this poser have her nervous breakdown!

[red5angel]

the problem with Bullshido - and all forums have their issues - is that you get a sort of sanctimonious attitude because of what it's setup to do. I've seen some good discussions on that board but there's a lot of just trash talking in general. I'd even go so far as to say there's more trash talk there then here, even on a bad day.
You get a bunch of guys together who think their debunking everything and they suddenly get the idea that they can't be wrong or anyone who disagrees has to be wrong.
For instance you get some arguing on what is and what is not real or realistic on this forum, but things sort of even out because it's just a kungfu forum with some guys on it. Bullshido is setup to call bull**** and some people get it in their heads that it's better and apparently funnier, just to call bull****. You also get alot of impressionable minds who sort of get on the bandwagon. What you end up with is a few guys who want to talk inteligently and do something about all the crap that has flooded the martial arts, and a whole lot of guys who are near mindless clones parroting what they hear form the more intelligent guys, but without the context or the understanding of what they are saying really means. You throw some guys in there who actually fight (fighting only shows YOU can fight, not that you completely understand what and what does not work by the way) and you have all the confirmation you need for the idiotic majority.
That's why I prefer KFM, we may fight and argue but for th emost part some of us fight, some don't, some of us buy into the msytical spiritual stuff, some of us don't, but most of us understand what the crap is and isn't.

[rubthebuddha]

originally, this thread was funny. now it's just retarded.

abel and phrost -- you two know how to reach each other. if you have another discussion to make, do it via those means.

unkokusai -- if you're going to troll, do it somewhere else. we're getting sick of it.